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Can you start again if you fail?

Discussion in 'New teachers' started by Englishteacher2, Mar 9, 2009.

  1. Englishteacher2

    Englishteacher2 New commenter

    Dear Sara,
    I am nearly two thirds through my NQT year, and things are not going too well. I feel bullied, undermined, and very demoralised. As a result, my teaching is suffering and is, on my own reckoning, below the standard that it was during my PGCE.

    On the one hand I feel that it would be better to battle through, to see what happens. However, I think I have read somewhere that if you fail your NQT year you are not allowed to do it again. Is that true? I appreciate that it would be difficult to find another job, but I want to know if you are actually prohibited from doing the NQT year again. I am just wondering whether I should quit now, do something else for a while and then start again.
    In summary - what are the options if you fail your NQT year?
     
  2. Englishteacher2

    Englishteacher2 New commenter

    Dear Sara,
    I am nearly two thirds through my NQT year, and things are not going too well. I feel bullied, undermined, and very demoralised. As a result, my teaching is suffering and is, on my own reckoning, below the standard that it was during my PGCE.

    On the one hand I feel that it would be better to battle through, to see what happens. However, I think I have read somewhere that if you fail your NQT year you are not allowed to do it again. Is that true? I appreciate that it would be difficult to find another job, but I want to know if you are actually prohibited from doing the NQT year again. I am just wondering whether I should quit now, do something else for a while and then start again.
    In summary - what are the options if you fail your NQT year?
     
  3. So sorry to tell you this but if you fail NQT then you can no longer teach in the 5-16 sector. You still have QTS as this is what you got from PGCE/GTP, however you can only use it to teach under 5 or FE (over 16). What you can do is leave your current job having done two terms and do the final one in a new school. However you will need to show that school that you are meeting all the NQT standards in just one term. It isn't impossible but also won't be easy.
    I would say to try and stick it out at your school unless you know now that they are going to fail you. If you really can't though leave. Go see your doctor if you are feeling stressed as a week off may do wonders. Talk to the NQT person at the LA and anyone in the school who may be sympathetic. Hope things get better soon, either way :)
     
  4. Englishteacher2

    Englishteacher2 New commenter

    Thank you for replying. Just to clarify:
    1. When you say that I can no longer teach in the 5-16 sector, does that mean that you are not allowed to do an NQT year again, ever?
    2. If I left before the end of the year, presumably it would be possible to do a whole NQT year elsewhere (i.e. - not just do one term, but the whole year).
    Thank you for your advice about taking a week off for stress, but I feel that that would exccerbate the problem. My thinking at the moment is that if I left and did some supply work, this might in itself lead to a full time position, because it might give a chance for a school to get to know me rather than relying on a CV/reference.

     
  5. Englishteacher2

    Englishteacher2 New commenter

    PS - Thank you for mentioning the NQT person at the LA. I hadn't thought of that.
     
  6. I am in a similar situation to you and have been told I'm am very likely to fail. I too also feel that I'm not the teacher I was on my PGCE due to being criticised and having no confidence.

    I am leaving at Easter as I know it's best in the long run as I don't want to fail my NQT year and never be able to teach. I feel a bit better knowing that I'm leaving and can have a freash start in the future. I'm going to do supply teaching for a bit and see what kind of schools there are out there.

    I have spoken to the LA NQT person and they reccomended teaching abroad so that when you do come back to finish your NQT year you will have more world experience which HT's may look upon favourably.

    Good luck. I hope it all works out for the best.
     
  7. jubilee

    jubilee Star commenter

    That ultimatum is totally unacceptable!
    They can tell you that you are not yet meeting the standards on class management and that you would fail if you don't manage to meet them by the end of your Induction but they cannot arbitrarily state that you must meet them by the end of Induction term 2.
    You can be deemed as 'not yet meeting the standards' in terms 1 and 2 and then Pass overall when you rally in term 3. Equally you could be on track in the first 2 terms and Fail if things slide in the final term.
    Term 3 is the decider and they cannot insist that you meet the standards before then. They should also be putting in extra support to help you address your weaknesses.
    To leave at Easter you would need to get an early release from your contract. That is usually done with Union support. The school could decide to release you before the end of term 2 (with pay stopping straightaway and no Easter holiday pay) and you'd then have 2 terms of Induction left to do.
    You could carry on into term 3 of Induction and seek an early release if things are not improving and they are still talking about failing you.
    I'd be very wary of transferring to Primary during Induction. You have not had any experience so would not be a school's preferred choice .... especially with so many Primary trained teachers chasing the vacancies.
    A term or two might not be enough time to get up to speed with new Key Stages, teaching different subjects, younger children and a class that is yours all the time.
    If you followed the TA route, it would make more sense but you would still be trying to change Key Stage with Induction paperwork that highlighted weaknesses dealing with pupils in the Key Stages that you trained to teach.
    There is no longer a time limit on completing Induction in England, so delaying the final term of Inducttion to 2010 or later is not a problem. You could work on supply in the interim as you still have your 16 month supply allowance. A stint as a TA (even as a supply TA) and then some daily supply work in primary might be a way in to securing an Induction term if you are still decided on that route. You will get better pay if you do it via the LEA supply register (TA and teaching work) or negotiated direct with schools, rather than via a private agency. Daily supply with the LEA allows you to keep contributing to the pension and builds up each year to allow pay progression if you work in enough weeks (26 minimum each school year. If you stay till Easter at your current school you'll have been employed by the LEA for at least 26 weeks and will get paid on the next point of the M scale for any teaching done from 1st Sept 2009)
    I think most would advise completing Induction in Secondary and then transferring, possibly via extra LEA training courses.
     
  8. Thanks for the advise it has really helped giving me a good idea of the options available!!!
    Things have gotten a little worse for me though! I had year 9 parents evening last week and after meeting one of the parents (who is good friends with the head) they sent him an email suggesting that the school wasn't supporting me enough with behaviour management! I did not say anything of the sorts to the parent but her daughter is in my worst class ... i have them last period on thurs and fri and there are about 5 boys in the class that are very disruptive and just dont want to be there! This hasn't pleased the head and I was told today by my mentor that a man from the LEA is going to come and observe me this coming week! If it doesn't go well I am going to be asked to leave with immediate effect!!! After term 1 it was suggested that i wouldnt meet the targets regarding behaviour management but have been working with a behaviour management specialist in the school and things really improved! In all my observations I have been getting goods and excellents across the board in all aspects of my teaching with the only satisfactory element being my behaviour management! I think the head may be out to get me no matter what the LEA man says!!! I'm going to stick with it though and hopefully I will make it! :)
     
  9. noemie

    noemie Occasional commenter

    try also to see with the LEA if they can do anything. A teacher at my school who was an NQT the year before I got there did that: it wasn't working out in his school so after two terms he negotiated with the LEA to be transferred to another school in the LEA, and he successfully completed his last term, then stayed on to be a really really good teacher.
    It really increasingly frustrates me how much the success/failure of one person, be it PGCE student or NQT, is in the hands of just one person. It's just an open road to abuse and bullying.
     

  10. Hi
    I too am in this awful position. I have completed nearly 5 terms of a six term part time induction. Everything up until now has been fine with two favourable reports being signed off, (With PFD' s as you'd expect) but I have now been told an extension will be recommended - something the LEA has said will not be possible!!
    I wanted to go anyway as the school is no longer a pleasant place to be (not just for me but for everyone)
    There are loads of issues here but cant really mention them as I don't want to be identified.
    I could kick myself for passing the last deadline, but having had no indication that I was on course to fail, I wanted to stay until July to get my induction sorted.
    Now I am faced with an impossible situation - do I jump or do I get (almost certainly) pushed.
    My next ob is the start of the summer term, and I'm getting the distinct impression that I won't make it through.
    Good Luck to all of you who are facing this situation
    I feel your pain :)
     
  11. I'm concerned about this.

    I passed my first two terms, only to later be told that last term's report was a borderline fail due to my attainment results. For my final term, my mentor believes the head won't pass me if my children don't make expected attainment progress. I have also been told my final LEA recommendation will be based on ''everything'', i.e. my attainment results. I asked where this left me if the children didn't jump the required sublevels, and the mentor said that if I was 'failed' during my final term I would be able to re-sit my final term.

    Can you re-sit a final failed term if you passed the previous two terms? And can a pass/fail recommendation be based on my attainment levels?
     
  12. No you can't re-sit it at all. That's it. If you fail, you fail. You can appeal but you won't be able to do a re-sit if it's a fail.
     
  13. Thanks for your help. I'm glad I checked as I think I was initially misled. There's a possibility now that my final term might be extended, depending on my attainment results (which do show progression but possibly not enough).

    Roll on the SATs boycott...
     
  14. I am a similar situation I have been working at a special school since September and yesterday was told that my mentor and head had to contact the LEA after a terrible lesson observation and that I might not reach the standards to pass my NQT year, which I was also told at Easter. If I resign now and start in a mainstream school could I start my third term again? I have contacted my union who haven't got back to me yet. i have also had a lot of personal problems. I could really do with some advice please? x
     
  15. jubilee

    jubilee Star commenter

    You should perhaps wait for the LA advisor to visit and observe you.
    If the decision remains that you are unlikely to meet the standards by the end of this term, you should contact your Union and get them to negotiate an early release from your contract.
    You will then leave with 2 Induction terms 'banked' and will be able to start the final Induction term when you next get a post that is intended to last a term's length or more.
     

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