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Can you get a job over 50?

Discussion in 'Education news' started by dunnocks, May 29, 2018.

  1. catbefriender

    catbefriender Lead commenter

  2. thin_ice

    thin_ice Occasional commenter

    Unconditional apologies for this one @catbefriender.
    And good luck (genuinely).

    Short attention span, so bored with this one now. I’ll follow @PeterQuint’s request.
  3. Jolly_Roger15

    Jolly_Roger15 Star commenter

    @catbefriender: thank you for the TSST details. I have contacted her already.
  4. catbefriender

    catbefriender Lead commenter

    Good luck!:)
  5. alisonhank

    alisonhank New commenter

  6. alisonhank

    alisonhank New commenter

    Thankyou for your response, I wasn't doubting, I just like to be able to give people evidenced info. I understand completely why you have given up. I have spent so many hours this year filling in application forms and felt so totally worthless when I haven't even received responses let alone be short-listed. I feel for you. XXXX
  7. alisonhank

    alisonhank New commenter

    Meanwhile if anyone has a History job going...within commute of Lancaster....I would love to hear from you. MY age is just a number, my motivation, patience and hard work are strengths as is resilience, perseverance and flexibility.
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  8. simonCOAL

    simonCOAL Occasional commenter

    There is absolutely no excuse for this. Disrespectful in the extreme.
    Just think how they’d be haranguing their teachers if they didn’t respond to messages from parents.

    I’ve no patience with the ‘but we had so many applications’ bleats. Boo hoo.

    All the very best to you alisonhank
  9. catbefriender

    catbefriender Lead commenter


    I've looked at your profile and I repeat YOU ARE AWESOME and the fact that the schools haven't bothered to move forward with your applications does not change that.

    You have TOO MUCH to offer and you have to remember that there is something drastically wrong with the system, not you.

    I really admire your tenacity and hope you continue doing what YOU want to do, not what you feel others want you to do. You are so good for the system, and your passion needs to be rewarded but I'm not liking the effect this is having on you, so I urge you to put 'getting a job in school' lower down your list of priorities and look to remembering who you are, and how wonderful you are as your top priority.

    Give yourself x hours a day to focus on getting a job and the rest of the day, do something else i.e. completely forget about job hunting.

    Reward yourself, for getting all those applications out there and getting 2 interviews. That is progress and with your determination, you will make it.

    You have to figure out a way to keep applying for posts without it affecting your confidence in yourself. I haven't been able to do this, but this doesn't mean it's impossible. This is what we as teachers have to do. Help each other cope with this. Teachers bragging about how easy it was for them to get a job, just works at keeping other teachers in a negative mindset and feeling bad about themselves.

    You are one of many brilliant teachers looking for a post but your profile is better than a lot of them, because you can offer more subjects and you have more experience.

    I can't wait to read your post exclaiming you have a job. I and a lot of us on here are routing for you.

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  10. catbefriender

    catbefriender Lead commenter

    Apology accepted.

  11. Mrsmumbles

    Mrsmumbles Star commenter

    Afraid they do mate. When I was your age, they didn’t. This was 1996! Loved my first job; I was surrounded by a real age range of colleagues from me and the other four young NQTS, young parents in their thirties, middle aged and a very healthy number of happy and fulfilled older staff who all had senior respected roles. I felt safe with them and that generation had time to teach, manage, run, swim, run choirs, direct school plays...they were so inspiring to a 23 year old; vindication, I thought, that the profession my parents and grandparents had chosen was a good one. I realised that you would not end up very wealthy from teaching, but it was a great job, you were given free reign and respected. Since the 2013 clampdown and bellend Gove’s ‘reforms’,teaching has become so horribly ageist. Cutting both ways now, probably. But food teachers can earn far more self employed, school cultures are brutal, kids are cracking up with stress and tutors provide them that safe space.. it’s not all bleak. But I have to say...last ten years now and you’re doing so well. It’s not a lifetime career. Schools are skint, training is inconsistent, retention is a joke and it’s so hard to move Schools as it’s Russian roulette. Add to that the constant threat of some little SLT Psycho or student psycho accusing you of perversions ‘because they can’ and you quickly realise it’s no longer an actual profession at all. I mean, who hires these MAT managers? You never see many ads for them? All internal. Jobs for the thick and otherwise unemployable boys n gals..
  12. cys2017

    cys2017 Occasional commenter

    What if you’re old and you just look young? Lol
  13. Timothy_Blue

    Timothy_Blue Lead commenter

    All very true but the rot was setting in some years prior to Gove with performance management (passing the threshold) and the introduction of cover supervisors 1999 onwards.
  14. Jolly_Roger15

    Jolly_Roger15 Star commenter

  15. Mrsmumbles

    Mrsmumbles Star commenter

    Well that’s me actually! I’ve always had a young face. Internally, you’re not. I collapsed and had emergency surgery a few years back, dormant health conditions almost certainly stress triggered. I was paid off like an unwanted inconvenience. Guess I was. This hurt more than a bereavement because I had been working at that school full time for over a decade. I’d never been ill, just this sudden collapse, but you can rest assured it would have been mentionned and ramped up to be more than it is in those off the record phone calls between Heads at job interview time. Because of the new ‘Are you sure that teacher isn’t a paedophile?’laws, they always check your passport and other forms of ID which display date of birth. So there it is. This is the future. A once noble career now deprofessionalised and downgraded to data gimping, crowd control and non subject specialism, inexperienced and increasingly psychotic management, performance management, scrutinise and a refusal to accept that the older teachers managed perfectly ******* well thanks kids for the previous three decades. Any teacher facing this new stupid workload would burn out. Older teachers are essentially discriminated against because their stamina is often lower, burnout happens faster and re employment elsewhere is much harder. I’m mid forties and cannot do it. So, yeah, ten years tops...just not worth the initial investment really. Especially when the working environment is fractious and the kids are often so lazy. Anyone for Tesco?
  16. Mrsmumbles

    Mrsmumbles Star commenter

    Yes, but Gove was the Goebebels to this new Tory Educational First Reich. He made it especially and more extensively appalling and miserable for all of us. Anyone teacher who votes Tory now is either stupid or a masochist, in my book. I’m not saying Corbyn is much better. But at least he isn’t a Tory and will soon step down.
  17. cys2017

    cys2017 Occasional commenter

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  18. catbefriender

    catbefriender Lead commenter

    I get told I look younger than my age. I often get told I look around 35 :rolleyes:, and this is by teachers in their 20s. However, one week with an evil SLT and I will look twice my age!:eek:

    I would add to it that schools don't get to see us cos once you've got an O level or a CSE mentioned on your application form, they KNOW your over 47 years old, because that's when the GCSEs came out, so just by our qualifications and the date of our gaining our qualifications they know our age group and avoid.

    The problem is there are just too many teachers and remember, a lot of the teachers recorded as out of schools are YOUNGER teachers too forced to do supply to survive sometimes as TAs. Only half of my cohort, and I was the second oldest training, got a job and the oldest one, didn't get to complete Induction. It has been difficult for a LONG time. I reiterate the last record of the number of NQTs failing to gain their first post within a year of completion of their ITT was 2012, and it was up by 12% up on 2011. So it was rising.

    As a result of the INCREASING NUMBER OF NQTS UNABLE TO FIND WORK, the government, under pressure from the unions, increased the period in which one could start induction to five years after completion of their ITT, however the last recorded statistics i.e. 2016 state over 100,000 NQTs have not completed Induction and they are not publishing how many, anymore.

    When I first started looking into these stats in 2012, the number of QTs out of schools was around 320,000 and by 2016, it was 335,000 and now they are no longer recording.

    We know thanks to MATS that there are MORE UTs in schools and less QTs in schools, so the writing is on the wall, for those who care to read it.

    Another important thing to note is the ratio of NQTs gaining their first Induction post was HIGHEST when they were trained by the school. Whereas NQTs training via the universities were the lowest to gain a post after Induction, so I try to urge people to train to teach in the school, as you are more likely to get a job in the school you train in and they tend to train the UTs they pay and train better than the UTs from the ITTs.

    There are a lot of vacancies for Graduate LSAs. They go in as LSAs and if they are 'good enough' they get retained, paid and trained by the school. These TeachFirst etc. take on the role of a full time teacher, hence when an older teacher leaves, one of these takes their place, hence a HUGE reduction in the number of vacancies advertised.

    A lot of the vacancies advertised have already been filled by these Graduate LSA who will now be trained as QTs by the schools but some schools are forced to advertise them, in order to prove they are operating a fair recruitment process. Hence the practice in creating generic JDs so that if you apply for the job of a Drama teacher, they could say that they gave Jason the role because he was a specialist in Jacobean Theatre when
    a. there was no mention of needing to be a specialist Jacobean Theatre and
    b. nearly MOST Drama degrees would involve a Shakespearen module and possibly one in Ancient Greek Theatre which would enable the graduate to cover ANY epoch of theatre.

    In short a lot of NONSENSE, and an EXCUSE not to employ someone from outside.
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  19. 50sman

    50sman Lead commenter

    History jobs are impossible to get whatever your age
    1981 left with PGCE in History living in Hampshire
    Ended up getting temporary job in the Midlands
    Then spen 9 months on the dole again.
    Got 1 term temp job April 1983 - have not been out of work since!!!
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  20. catbefriender

    catbefriender Lead commenter

    Would you be able to tell me if you remained teaching Humanities or moved to another Ebacc subject?

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