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Can you get a job over 50?

Discussion in 'Education news' started by dunnocks, May 29, 2018.

  1. dunnocks

    dunnocks Star commenter

    I am interested in hearing other people's experiences. I teach in London, and my experience is that anyone who wants to teach science and maths is snapped up, over 50 or not. There are no where near enough applicants for the vacancies available. There are thousands of qualified teachers not teaching, but that is because they don't want to.

    Other posters have found that no one will interview anyone over 50, and say there is a glut of unemployed teachers in London. Over 50s don't apply for jobs because they know there is no point because they won't be considered, or they will be expected o work for free.

    I am interested to hear which is the more common experience.
     
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  2. Jolly_Roger15

    Jolly_Roger15 Established commenter

    For three ex-colleagues and me (all of us science or maths), the only work we get 'offered' is unpaid. We have given up applying for jobs, as we do not get interviewed.
     
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  3. peakster

    peakster Star commenter

    I'm in my early fifties and I teach a shortage subject

    I could be reasonably confident of getting an interview for most jobs I would apply for
     
  4. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter

    For the last few years before I took early retirement 5 years ago (say from the ages of 49 & 56) I found I could only get fixed term contracts (maternity covers & the like) - this was in & around London, BTW - teaching a non-shortage subject (History). Mind you, I wasn't out of work and I taught in some excellent schools during that period.
     
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  5. catbanj

    catbanj Occasional commenter

    I'm over 50 and got the first job I applied for this year. Not a promoted post though.... I am "down-TLR-ing" to try and stay in teaching longer
     
  6. Jolly_Roger15

    Jolly_Roger15 Established commenter

    Well done, @catbanj & @peakster. I am 62, and if I get an interview, almost certainly the job is a con! Either it has along unpaid lead up, or it is just another opportunity to 'put something back'.
     
  7. peakster

    peakster Star commenter

    To be fair JR i think there is a big difference in someone in their 50s looking for a job in the current climate and someone a decade older.

    At 62 I won't be anywhere near a classroom and I wouldn't expect to be considered for a teaching job even if I wanted one.

    I do know a few supply teachers over 60 though !
     
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  8. David Getling

    David Getling Senior commenter

    Also, the complete imbeciles doing the recruitment expect applicants to waste the better part of a day (no exaggeration) filling in their application forms. What kind of idiot wants the name, address and telephone number of companies going back over 30 years, many of whom may no longer be there? Teachers desperately bang the drum about professionalism, but real professionals use a CV.

    And to repeat my own circumstances, although I now wouldn't touch schools with a barge pole, I specialise in tutoring A-level maths (all topics) chemistry and physics. As such I regularly come across the most appalling teaching in all of them. Students' parents take the trouble to drive their kids to me and pay me because I'm seriously good at teaching all of these. Yet, when I first returned to the UK, and was prepared to give some of the schools a chance, they preferred to employ people who really are clueless about their subject.

    A lot of us over 50's who really can teach aren't prepared to kowtow to parasitic SLT. Suck it up!
     
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  9. David Getling

    David Getling Senior commenter

    What a prejudiced attitude: no doubt shared by by the vast majority of SLT.

    When I was on the IMO training camp in New Zealand a couple of those helping the kids were emeritus professors in their 80's. They would wipe the floor with me, and almost all UK classroom teachers decades younger. Of course, one could argue that the zoo-keeping aspect of the job, and having the stamina to waste on the mountain of pointless admin, is vastly more important;).
     
  10. peakster

    peakster Star commenter

    As usual you have no idea what you are talking about.
     
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  11. woollani

    woollani Occasional commenter

    Retirement is now pegged at 67, so you might care to rethink.
     
  12. woollani

    woollani Occasional commenter

    I rather think he does or perhaps you believe that teachers in their 60s aren't entitled to equal opportunities .
     
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  13. catbefriender

    catbefriender Senior commenter

    @peakster Perhaps you should write to the Minister for work and Pensions and tell them that teachers should NOT be considered or work beyond 60. There is going to be a big crisis in a few years with 1/3 of the UK working population over 50 and by 2032 more than half of the UK population will be over 50 and the DWP is actively ENCOURAGING older people to think of training in a second career and, wait for it, teaching is proving very popular. I met a lot of late 50s teachers last year completing or commencing PGCEs and when I told them about the difficulties, they stated, 'It okay it has to be paid back by the age of 75 so we wouldn't have to bother paying it at this rate.'

    Perhaps you plan to retire at 60, and live off your pension, but not many over 60s want to or can afford to. And many older people, when given the right flexibility and support in the workplace, can work well into their early 70s, which is what many teachers in the 20s may be forced to do.

    What a complete waste of UK money, i.e the vast number of teachers claiming JSA and the vast amount of money wasted training and training and retraining and retraining youngsters to teach and shipping overseas teachers over etc. when a very small fraction of that money could be spent getting the tens of thousands, I reckon around 100,000 of older QTs back into schools, if SLTs would give them a chance.

    Employment of women over 50 is a big problem both in the UK, Europe and the US with many women having to opt for self employment to earn a living, many in the caring industries and it is a little easier for males.

    But the backward attitude of senior teachers towards what is currently 1/4 of the UK workforce and rapidly rising to 1/3 is totally ridiculous and costing this country billions each year.
     
  14. peakster

    peakster Star commenter

    I don't know any teacher who carried on full time beyond 60 (not in the schools I've been in anyway). I do plan to retire at 60 (perhaps a year or two before that if I can) - in most modern schools I think 60 is as far as you go.

    In my humble opinion people training to be teachers in their late 50s are probably never going to get hired, perhaps in independent schools it is easier but teaching these days is a younger person's profession.

    I'm not a HT but I'm not sure I would consider applications from teachers over 60 - I'd just have doubts about them lasting the pace of modern day schools. My school actually has quite a few 50 somethings - all of us are now looking towards retirement.

    I still think i'm as good a teacher now as I was 10 years ago - what I don't have is the boundless energy and the ability to do 3-4 hours at home every night that I had then.

    In 3 or 4 years time I think I will call it a day - a colleague of mine in another (very good) school aged about 10 years in the 2 years before he retired.

    I have plans to do all sorts of things - I want to go at a time of my choosing and when my health is as good as ithas been throughout my teaching career to date.
     
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  15. catbefriender

    catbefriender Senior commenter

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    catbefriender Senior commenter

  17. PeterQuint

    PeterQuint Lead commenter

    I may soon be leaving my current teaching position, and I’m in my early 50s.

    Non-core. North of England.

    According to my sums (pension, etc.) I probably need to teach for maybe 3 more years.

    I’m wondering if it’ll be impossible to find work. Or maybe say in applications that I’m prepared to move off UPS.

    Not sure if any of that would work. Don’t want to do supply as it works out not much more than minimum wage.
     
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  18. catbefriender

    catbefriender Senior commenter

    @David Getling You are completely right about CVs. Schools should initially request CVs for vacancies, create a shortlist and then get the shortlisted group to fill out application forms and then work from there. This way they would definitely get more applications. Their insistence on ONLY looking at application forms is foolish and costing them MANY applications.

    It is totally time consuming expecting prospective teachers to
    a. read the Ofsted report
    b. read the all the job related data i.e. JD, school profile etc
    c. read their website

    And then fill out a job application based on meeting the criteria and then get ZERO response. Schools have a duty to respond to all speculative enquiries out of courtesy and if they respected teachers, give constructive feedback as to why they have not been offered interviews.

    All that is really needed in this day and age is CV plus a statement as to why the applicant feels they meet the criteria. That's all.
     
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  19. catbefriender

    catbefriender Senior commenter

    Hope you're one of the lucky ones Peter and Good luck.
     
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  20. snowyhead

    snowyhead Lead commenter

    Probably because they were paying into TPS prior to January 2007. Anyone who joined TPS after 2007 has to work until they are 67 or 68 ie until TPS/State Pension kicks in. Unfortunately, those currently in their 20s and 30s won't have the option to retire at 60 unless they can afford to top up their pension now, which is not realistic for most given the high student loan debt they're saddled with. I am afraid @peakster you (and I) and those teachers of a similar age will be the last generation who have the luxury of retiring at 60.

    I have worked for a head who retired at 67.
     
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