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Can I become a Teaching Assistant with a PGCE but without QTS, if so what level could I be?

Discussion in 'Teaching assistants' started by HelAnders, Jun 2, 2012.

  1. Hi
    I have been doing a PGCE Primary (since September 2011) but decided to take an interruption in studies five weeks from completing final placement. I am currently waiting to find out the mark for my final assignment which providing I pass will give me a PGCE. Depending on this result I am considering taking the PGCE and not returning to repeat my final placement to gain QTS. I feel that, I would make a better teaching assistant than teacher. I started to struggle as a student teacher and had to start being honest with myself, could I really stand up in front of a class of children and be completely responsible for their education or would I be better being part of a valuable and important support team and use what I have learnt to become a very good TA rather than a weak teacher. I have decided being a TA is the way forward. I have registered with a Teaching Agency to gain supply work as a TA but also I was invited by my placement School to stay on voluntarily to do TA work.
    Basically I need to know would having a PGCE without QTS open up more opportunities for jobs as a Teaching Assistant? At present I have been told by the agency I am classed as unqualified.
    Please help I need a way forward. I really enjoy working with children and would like to remain in School.
    Prior to my PGCE I worked in Higher Education in Administration for 20 years so I am a career changer.
     
  2. Hi
    I have been doing a PGCE Primary (since September 2011) but decided to take an interruption in studies five weeks from completing final placement. I am currently waiting to find out the mark for my final assignment which providing I pass will give me a PGCE. Depending on this result I am considering taking the PGCE and not returning to repeat my final placement to gain QTS. I feel that, I would make a better teaching assistant than teacher. I started to struggle as a student teacher and had to start being honest with myself, could I really stand up in front of a class of children and be completely responsible for their education or would I be better being part of a valuable and important support team and use what I have learnt to become a very good TA rather than a weak teacher. I have decided being a TA is the way forward. I have registered with a Teaching Agency to gain supply work as a TA but also I was invited by my placement School to stay on voluntarily to do TA work.
    Basically I need to know would having a PGCE without QTS open up more opportunities for jobs as a Teaching Assistant? At present I have been told by the agency I am classed as unqualified.
    Please help I need a way forward. I really enjoy working with children and would like to remain in School.
    Prior to my PGCE I worked in Higher Education in Administration for 20 years so I am a career changer.
     
  3. dozymare1957

    dozymare1957 Occasional commenter

    Hi Hel, Being a TA is the best job in the world! I completed DTLLS last year and am supposed to be doing QTLS this year. I couldn't get a job teaching so I applied to be a TA in a secondary school. I've been told by the IFL that I can use my TA work to support my QTLS.
    There is no reason why you couldn't get a job as a TA and you could take TA qualifications on the job if you wanted to. I think with TAs it's much more to do with personality than qualifications in the first instance. The qualifications can come later and you'll be able to move up the ladder.
    Good luck with your new career. I can definitely recommend it. BTW I'm secondary, you might want to look at this as well as primary.

     
  4. In short - no. You need QTS to be classed as qualified (at least in our LEA and several others that I know of) which is why the agency have said you are classed as unqualified.
    You have 2 real options.
    1) Finish your final placement and gain QTS
    OR
    2) Spend at least another year doing a TA course to qualify you that way.
    How long will it take you to do your final placement? If not too long, then I would definately go for this option!
    It is increasingly difficult to get a TA post these days, and will be much harder without being qualified. My advice is to get qualified the quickest way you can! You will get a higher rate from the agency once you are qualified as well.
    Good luck!
    Wren

     
  5. As someone who regularly appoints TAs to work in our large primary school and specialist unit I would have no hesitation, subject to interview, in appointing you to a TA position with PGCE but not QTS. The idea that you need to do some TA qualification is <u>ridiculous.</u> A good standard of education is much more important than some of the, frankly, dire TA qualifications around- excepting OU E111.
    I have seen TAs with NVQ 3 qualifications whose own standards of literacy and numeracy were so low that they were below those of our Y6 children.
    Prepare a good CV that outlines all your experience, personal qualities and qualifications and send it to local schools.Most schools would be glad to provide/pay for any additional training you might need after appointment and to put you forward for HLTA status.
    Good Luck!
     
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  6. picsgirl

    picsgirl New commenter


    janedd - So would you recommend the OU E111?
    I completed my L2 apprenticeship last year, but he course provider wouldn't allow me to continue to L3 as I don't have a permanent job (just 3 temp school jobs).
     
  7. I've done the OU's E111 and it is an excellent course. Go for it!
     
  8. I've done the OU's E111 and it is an excellent course. Go for it!
     
  9. Ophelia 9

    Ophelia 9 New commenter

    It may be worth checking if there is a list of accepted qualifications on the website of the Local authority you are applying to - my LEA list does not include any specific OU courses as far as I can see, although Foundation Degrees have now been added -it's rather a long list but I will try and paste it here:
    qualifications required
    The
    following qualifications apply to
    Level 3
    Teaching Assistant


    Qualified
    Status:


    NNEB; National Diploma
    Caring; BTEC National Diploma (2
    years); Caring Services (Nursery Nursing) (now
    withdrawn); BTEC National Diploma in
    Childhood Studies (Nursery Nursing) (now
    withdrawn); BTEC National Diploma Early
    Years and Childhood Studies; BTEC National
    Diploma early YearsCare and Education; BTEC
    Level 3 Certificate for Teaching Assistants;
    BTEC
    National Diploma Early Years;
    CACHE Level 3 NVQ inSupporting Teaching
    and
    Learning in Schools; CACHE Level 3
    Certificate in work with Children &ndash; Early
    Years (Accreditation of Prior Experiential
    Learning APEL);


    Certificate of Higher
    Education Learning Assistants; City &
    Guilds NVQ Level 3


    Teaching Assistants;
    City & Guilds NVQ Level 3 in Supporting
    Teaching and


    Learning in Schools.


    Classroom Support Worker
    Qualification &ndash; secondary (NVQ Level 3
    Teaching Assistant equivalent); NVQ Level 3
    Teaching Assistants
    (Accreditation of Prior


    Experiential Learning
    (APEL); NVQ Level 3 Child Care and
    Education; NVQ Level 3 forTeaching Assistants; NVQ
    Level 3 Childcare and Education; NVQ Level
    3 Childcare Learning and
    Development;
    National Occupational Standards
    for Supporting Teaching and Learning in
    schools NVQ Level 3; Specialist Teaching
    Assistants (STA);


    Foundation Degree &ndash;
    Learning Support; Foundation Degree Early
    Childhood Studies (or Early Years).


    For
    Teaching Assistant Vacancies, the
    following
    requirements apply:



    Level 2: Preferably
    qualified to National Occupational Standards
    for Supporting


    Teaching and Learning in
    schools NVQ Level 2 previously known as
    Teaching Assistants;


    Any unqualified
    candidate appointed would be expected to gain
    National Occupational Standards for Supporting
    Teaching andLearning NVQ Level 2
    within a reasonable period of time.


    Level 3: Qualification
    to National Occupational Standards
    for Supporting


    Teaching and Learning in
    Schools NVQ Level 3 previously known as
    Teaching Assistants or equivalent qualification
    (see qualification listed above).

    Teachers with full QTS
    will be deemed to be a qualified Teaching
    Assistant (i.e. GR3)only where the school
    has adopted Single Status Package.


    Level 4: HLTAs must hold
    the HLTA Status at the point of
    appointment.


    If a Qualified Teacher
    wishes to become a HLTA, they must
    undertake the
    HLTA assessment process.

     

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