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Can a TA replace a teacher?

Discussion in 'Workplace dilemmas' started by ANother, Jan 29, 2016.

  1. ANother

    ANother New commenter

    I'm currently absent from work and will be for quite a few weeks. I've been told two TAs will take the class and one TA has been moved to teaching staff. I'm sure this is not acceptable. Does this not undermine the profession?
     
  2. purplecarrot

    purplecarrot Senior commenter

    Can they? Yes.
    Does that mean they should be? Not really.

    That said, depending on the age/subject and context, it may not be the end of the world. I've worked with some excellent support staff with lots of relevant experience for specific areas and having them was an asset to us. If it's a strong TA with a subject degree who may want to move into teaching or go for HLTA status then it might be good experience for them, assuming they're appropriately supported.
     
  3. ANother

    ANother New commenter

    Yes I agree about the support TA's offer. It's a strong TA with a wealth of experience but no formal qualifications and no intention of completing A levels, degrees etc. I also agree good experience but this person is stepping into my role which I feel is highly inappropriate. So I am afraid it should be a clear NO.
     
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  4. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter

    They can. There's not much like that which you can't do in a school these days. Things have changed

    But they definitely shouldn't be doing it.
     
  5. caterpillartobutterfly

    caterpillartobutterfly Star commenter

    I was off for a three weeks a few years ago and two TAs took my class. Both experienced and strong TAs and both said they would never ever agree to doing so again. The workload and physical and emotional exhaustion wasn't worth the tiny amount of extra money they got.
     
  6. ANother

    ANother New commenter

    I'm not sure what you mean by your first quote. My sister is a ward sister but she certainly could not take over the role of the Doctor. Also one of the TA's has no experience what so ever and surely being moved to a member of teaching staff is strange. Why should they definetly be not doing that? They are.
     
  7. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter

    Schools will / can employ unqualified teachers, have TA's or cover supervisors take classes etc, It's not that taboo it used to be.

    It's cheaper too. Not that that would be the reason...
     
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  8. JRiley1

    JRiley1 Established commenter

    You might not like it but maybe they're doing it as kids already know the TAs so will be easier? It's also cheaper for them rather than get supply in! I don't think it's right, not sure if you can actually do anythingabout it though?!
     
  9. foxtail3

    foxtail3 Star commenter

    If there is no requirement for a class to have a qualified teacher in charge, then an unqualified person will be deemed acceptable.

    Whether I, or others, would find it acceptable is a different question.
     
  10. minnie me

    minnie me Star commenter

    I worked in a very challenging school ( many students with social, emotional and behaviour issues ) - the students were very suspicious of new staff and were easily unsettled in having to adapt to their way of working.The children needed consistency and familiarity and routine. The support of the TAs in this instance was invaluable . They had better knowledge of the students with whom they worked , excellent relationships and enough of a subject specialism to cope with the demands of the curriculum. This, from my experience was an infinitely better solution to putting any 'body ' in front of the class during a relatively short term absence. Sometimes you just have to be a bit creative. Yes a big responsibilty for the associate staff involved but again from experience the TAs ended up willingly doing most of the work / crowd control / paperwork to ensure the smooth running of the session which made the substitute teachers efforts largely redundant anyway.
     
  11. Brunettegirl

    Brunettegirl Occasional commenter

    They can, because they are allowed to. That doesn't of course make it right. I often wonder whether we would accept it if a TA was teaching our own child. I have massive respect for TA's and the job they do, however they shouldn't be expected to do a job for which they are not trained, or indeed not equitably paid for.
     
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  12. ANother

    ANother New commenter

    I really am not comfortable with this I would not be happy with my children being taught by a TA for a considerable time. I understand they know the children but I strongly feel a supply teacher would manage the curriculum and learning and as a team the knowledgeable TA would support with school context/emotional well being.
     
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  13. minnie me

    minnie me Star commenter

    I really think it depends on the quality of the supply teacher - no disrespect to those who fulfill this role.
     
  14. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter

    All classes should be taught by a qualified teacher
     
  15. Yoda-

    Yoda- Lead commenter

    I remember when the aspiration was for an all graduate profession, with qualified teacher status. Now almost anything goes...

     
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  16. minnie me

    minnie me Star commenter

    Being 'qualified' doesn't make you effective.
     
  17. Brunettegirl

    Brunettegirl Occasional commenter

    Quite.
     
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  18. ANother

    ANother New commenter

    Then surely a good senior leadership team and mentor will support appropriately.
     
  19. Brunettegirl

    Brunettegirl Occasional commenter

    :rolleyes: I don't think that they should be doing the job of a teacher with QTS. WHY then are they expected to do it for less money. Lets face it, if a woman was doing the same job as a man, she would expect be paid the same......
     
  20. ANother

    ANother New commenter

    I'm not sure what you mean here. They should not be asked in the first place. It may be that they feel the pressure to carry out an obligation because they are being asked by senior management or they feel it will be a positive for them. It's nothing to do with gender and pay.
     

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