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Discussion in 'Workplace dilemmas' started by Caligraphy, Nov 10, 2017.

  1. Caligraphy

    Caligraphy Occasional commenter

    Here I go AGAIN. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE, do not go into a classroom unless you are a member of a union or another professional organisation. It will be too late to join if you are accused of something or if you are facing informal or formal capability. As teachers, we trained for years to do what is becoming increasingly a thankless job. Don't throw it away for the sake of a few pounds per month.
    Nag over.;)
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  2. fudgeface

    fudgeface Occasional commenter

    Calligraphy you are so right. Where did it all go so horribly wrong? Bloody acadamisation
  3. Tinycat1234

    Tinycat1234 Established commenter

    Never ceases to amaze me how some people are not!
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  4. Caligraphy

    Caligraphy Occasional commenter

    I know. I've lost count of how many times I've posted about this. I'll be a star commenter at this rate.:):)
  5. JohnJCazorla

    JohnJCazorla Lead commenter

    It never ceases to amaze me how many people see Union as an insurance policy and nothing else.

    What about, "The Workers United Will Never Be Defeated" aspect of Unions?

    If you need more help on that - There's a clue in the word "Union"
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  6. Tinycat1234

    Tinycat1234 Established commenter

    They are also a brilliant source of CPD and professional advice!
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  7. gadgetgirl123

    gadgetgirl123 New commenter

    I'm not in a union and don't intend to join a union.

    I know people who have paid union fees for years and they were useless.

    I would rather fight my own battles if required.
  8. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter

    You are either rich enough not to need your job, or foolish. Only you know which...
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  9. peakster

    peakster Star commenter

    Sorry gadgetgirl but you are so wrong - not being a member of a union is foolish in the extreme.
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  10. JohnJCazorla

    JohnJCazorla Lead commenter

    Could you specify the use that "they were useless" for please?
  11. Caligraphy

    Caligraphy Occasional commenter

    Good luv
    Good luck with that. Mine were awesome when I needed them. Make sure you have a 'get out of jail free' card ready to help you when someone makes an accusation against you, either real or fabricated. You WILL be fighting your own battle, and you will fight it alone. Your colleagues won't be willing or in many cases even allowed to contact you in some circumstances.
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  12. gadgetgirl123

    gadgetgirl123 New commenter

    If the school didn't support me in whatever scenario, then I would not want to work for them and would happily walk away from teaching.

    I love my teaching job, teach a subject in demand, and my classes do well. The school had a nightmare finding a replacement when I was on maternity.

    I am also a qualified and experienced engineer and could easily (and happily) find a job in this field if required (I am offered jobs in a regular basis). Or I would focus on my family for now and just be a mum.

    I only earn around £40/week after childcare so can afford not to work.

    I teach because I enjoy my job. I would not enjoy my job if the school did not support me, so I am not sure what the union would be fighting for, hence my reasoning for not joining.

    Please enlighten me if I am missing something?
  13. cheesypop

    cheesypop Occasional commenter

    You could be maliciously accused of something which may be illegal and the union would provide legal protection.

    Does that help?
  14. slingshotsally

    slingshotsally Star commenter

    That's I'll happily leave for you to find all by yourself.

    Those who cannot hear, MUST feel.
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  15. Caligraphy

    Caligraphy Occasional commenter

    Gosh. With all of those responsibilities it's even more vital you belong to a union. If you are accused of doing something that you may or may not have done, the school will suspend you. Worst case scenario, you may end up in court. You may lose your job and as a consequence, your lively hood. You may be barred from teaching, with no reference. Your school supporting you is the least of your worries. Their responsibility will be to the children. The job you love, could be ripped away from you if an allegation is made. Your school may not support you. Your union will.
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  16. gadgetgirl123

    gadgetgirl123 New commenter

    Finally! A sensible non cryptic response into the pitfalls of not belonging to a union. Thank you!

    I have legal cover on my home insurance. Is that not suitable?
  17. gadgetgirl123

    gadgetgirl123 New commenter

    But I would be equally happy in a non teaching job or just being a mum, so I don't overly see the issue.

    Yes, I would be sad to leave, but I believe in fate and if that is what would happen, then so be it.
  18. caterpillartobutterfly

    caterpillartobutterfly Star commenter

    To be fair, if you work in a lovely school with decent SLT and a good work-life balance, it can be impossible to really understand how hideous some places can be. I certainly had no idea, until we got a new head and it happened to me.

    Campaigning for better conditions also doesn't really mean much if you have very good working conditions. CPD is available from many places and if your school supports you going elsewhere then maybe you won't use the union CPD.

    For the vast majority of people belonging to a union is definitely to be advised, but for a few it's possibly not essential.
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  19. Caligraphy

    Caligraphy Occasional commenter

    Emmm. What happens if it's a safeguarding issue. What if it's something that ends you up in court. Going back to 'just being a mum' isn't an option then. It does happen. You just need to read these boards and the newspapers. You have seemed to have thought this through. So I do wish you luck.
  20. slingshotsally

    slingshotsally Star commenter

    If she is accused of CP/Safeguarding issue, AND she has children, then Social Services will come round to assess if there is any risk to her children....
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