JamresTES, I dont accept the terms 'beating' or the more commonly used term nowadays 'abuse' in relation to the belt. A beating to me is what you get from the Ronnie Kray types in society when you are pummelled around the head and body. And abuse to me implies some breach of legality which did not apply to the belt prior to its being banned. (o.k it was never actually banned as such, but it was effectively outlawed.) Within three years of my starting teaching the school staff voted about 90%-10% to stop using the belt before it was legally withdrawn from schools, so I can claim I suppose to be one of the few teachers around today who actually voted against it, even if too late in the day to satisfy everyone. Those who call for the return of the belt might as well call for the reintroduction of imperial measures, national service or capital punishment. I cant honestly believe the originator of this thread is entirely serious. The belt was of its time, and like any punishment could be classified as brutal. I recall a school manager insisting I drop a boy from the school football team because 'that is what will hurt him most.' To me that was as brutal as the belt, and all the worse for being done by proxy. Needless to say I did not drop the boy in question, who actually went on to play professional football. Once the belt began to lose the support of parents it was doomed, despite what Scotland's Urban Voltaire was voicing from his cups. Although I suspect Jack MacLean was more offended by the exaggerated language used by organisations like STOPP than by what they were proposing. Of course the belt was sore: that was the point. It stung like hell and made your eyes water. But I dont think many found it 'astonishingly agonising' and I have never heard of anyone permanently damaged physically as a result of receiving it. I think if teachers were not being regularly sniped at by politicians for 'failing pupils' (yes, that's the lot who let the financial system collpase) and undermined in disciplinary matters by SMTs sitting in La La land then there would be fewer reactionary calls to bring back the belt. It's part of the job to impose authority and lead the class, and if this is impaired then the class suffers more than anyone.