Fair comment Ray.......kinda! I'm sure you see loads of classes, and i'm sure you speak to lots of PT's. I'm even sure that some of them blow some smoke your way about the pastoral function of your visits. I'm just still not convinced that you can seriously claim that these visits give you a good idea about what's going on in the classroom on a regular basis. We have a retired DHT (the best one unfortunately) who's been back in the school this year doing supply in his subject (our DHT's haven't taught for years). And, although he's been working in the school for donkey's years, he's saying that he had no idea about what it was actually like for the day to day teachers. He had forgotten how hard it was, and is in fact frustrated with the SMT hisself now! If this great DHT can claim that he didn't have a good idea about what's going on in the classroom, and he was IN the school - then how can you tutors somehow have this great knowledge? Perhaps you are trying a little too hard to justfiy yourself? Perhaps we will just never agree on this!