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Discussion in 'Teaching abroad' started by Mermaid7, Dec 21, 2019.

  1. 576

    576 Established commenter

    It does not work like that.
    The UK voted to leave!
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  2. 576

    576 Established commenter

  3. englishtt06

    englishtt06 Occasional commenter

    But it will still be harder than it is now and there will be a fee..... it's still a greater cost and effort than the current status-quo; and, I repeat, for what discernible or overall benefit? Since Brexit was voted for almost four years ago, I've been keenly aware of those extremely long 'non-EU' queues at passport control in every country I have travelled to. No thanks. Plus, I know quite a few people who've had visa issues with the USA and NZ even for a holiday.

    Also, as I said, for many of my British friends who are in EU countries (including me) nothing is certain. A hard/no-deal Brexit scenario isn't going to make their current status easier or quicker to resolve. And no significant negotiations have taken place with individual countries yet. And, if I may point out, the travel link you have just posted a link to depends on some form of deal i.e. negotiation and agreement between UK and EU. I'm sure it will all resolve itself eventually but that brings me back to the main point; all this hassle for what?

    Oh yes, and when I spoke about freedom of movement in the post you quoted, I meant for living and working specifically, not holidaying!
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  4. w1185299

    w1185299 New commenter

    Yes but did they know what they were voting for? Certainly a border down the Irish Sea was not voted for...
  5. february31st

    february31st Established commenter

    Judging by Boris Johnson's majority in Parliament the vox pop has shouted their opinion.

    In a democracy the most votes win!
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  6. dumbbells66

    dumbbells66 Lead commenter

    Democracy voted to shaft itself.... there is no one on this, or any other forum that will be alive to see any benefit from it... thats a BIG if there is any benefit. I personally dont believe there will be any upside. Give it 5 years and we will be begging to be allowed back in.
  7. tb9605

    tb9605 Established commenter

    Except, just like with Trump's victory, Johnson actually lost the popular vote - more people voted for other parties than they did for the Tory party.

    The current Conservative Parliamentary majority actually just reflects how the British system of "best loser wins"* simply results in minority rule (as it did during the Blair and Brown years - I am totally aware that this works both ways). In fact the recent Con-Dem coalition is the only time since the 1930s NationaL Co-alition that the Government has legitimately represented the majority.

    *It's not first-past-the-post (unlike, say, elections for the London Mayor or the French President, which are). This is another lie that the UK media uncritically repeat ad naseum.
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  8. february31st

    february31st Established commenter

    This is a stupid argument, the UK has not had an election won by a popular vote in 100 years, if ever! The american electoral college is designed to stop the popular vote winning, so a large state like California bullying smaller states can not happen.

    If you don't like an election result, call for a re-vote which was been just done in a general election and the Britex candidates won hands down, remain MPs have their P45s. Now if you don't like the vote call for a change in the election system or does the UK keep on having repeated elections till some people get the result they want.

    The Remain Vote LOST, get use to a democratic result.

    If you dont like democracy what are you going to replace it with, a one party state? If you don't like the political situation in the UK hand your British passport in at the exit gate of the airport of your choice as you leave the country never to return.
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  9. yasf

    yasf Established commenter

    No it's not
  10. dumbbells66

    dumbbells66 Lead commenter

    Can anyone else smell Gammon boiling ????;)
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  11. harsh-but-fair

    harsh-but-fair Star commenter

    How's that democracy going in China?
  12. twisty08

    twisty08 New commenter

    Whatever your opinion on Brexit, please let's keep racial insults like "gammon" off this forum.
    Last edited: Dec 23, 2019
  13. dumbbells66

    dumbbells66 Lead commenter

    Im not allowed to say what i really think, it would all be blanked out or deleted.

    F$%&£€#@ T!÷$ faced D%&£ W@&$#£ would be about as close as i could get
  14. february31st

    february31st Established commenter

    As an international teacher we may work in countries with different political systems to the UK. Maybe this gives a better understanding of Democracy and what universal suffrage means.

    So I still find it hard to understand how individuals who propose to originate in the UK can ignore the democratic vote of the people.

    The population as a whole where given a free vote with all the information given to them over 3 years of Brexit. The population voted for a government to move the UK out of the European Union.

    It may be a total disaster and the UK will have to beg on its knees to be readmitted into the EU, so be it. At the present moment in time the leave vote has the democratic mandate.

    If a government does not follow the democratic vote of the people what does the UK decome?

    Remember people have died in the UK to obtain the right to vote in free democratic elections, why did they bother if the electorate can be ignored.
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  15. dumbbells66

    dumbbells66 Lead commenter

    Millions of people voted to get the Nazis into power in Germany.... that didnt work out to well for them, and im pretty sure a lot of them regretted their decision after the fact. Just because you vote for something doesnt mean its the right choice
  16. february31st

    february31st Established commenter

    So someone who believes in democracy is now compared to a Nazi!

    Next I will be accused of being racist as well as guilty of being white and heterosexual. I didn't know driving a white Transit van with a cross of St George on the door was a crime.

    Just to point out the National Socialists Party was never voted into power by the German people, the German Parliament made Adolf Hitler the Chancellor without a democratic election.
    Last edited: Dec 23, 2019
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  17. dumbbells66

    dumbbells66 Lead commenter

    You may want to read what i said again
  18. miketribe

    miketribe Established commenter

    And your statement is historically inaccurate. Hitler was appointed chancellor by the president, Paul von Hindenburg, not by the parliament.
    As well as inaccurate, your post DELIBERATELY misinterprets what Dumbells wrote. Now that most certainly IS a favorite trick both of the Nazis AND of Trump, Johnson and their ilk. No, I DID NOT just accuse Trump and Johnson of being Nazis...
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  19. dumbbells66

    dumbbells66 Lead commenter

    Im going to have to stop liking your posts @miketribe, im starting to feel dizzy :)
  20. yasf

    yasf Established commenter

    Number of votes in the Dec 2019 election:

    Of parties that supported Brexit: 46.4% (Con/Brexit/DUP)

    Of parties that supported a 2nd ref / Remain: 52.2% (Lab/LibDem/Green/PC/SNP/SDLP/SF/ALL)

    So actually the Remain Vote Won, but with FPTP they lost - which you call a 'democratic result'. You really have been living in China too long . . .
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