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Brexit starts

Discussion in 'Personal' started by nomad, Oct 1, 2016.

  1. irs1054

    irs1054 Lead commenter

    A classic case of projection. Your arguments are dishonest. You are the one that has said in post after post that no promise was made because the word "promise" wasn't used. You have also argued that it couldn't have been a promise because the word "let's" was used and this only means "suggestion". (it doesn't) (And if you haven't been saying this then your arguments make no sense whatsoever.)

    Both these are completely wrong and I am not the only one pointing this out to you, but as is often the case, you just ignore things which inconvenient to you and go on arguing the self same points that have been refuted. Such behaviour is basically that of a troll.

    The evidence is in this thread in various posts not just mine. I really don't see why it is necessary to indulge someone who engages in this sort of behaviour.
     
  2. Burndenpark

    Burndenpark Lead commenter

    No- it's only an offer.

    Much like the price on a tin of beans in Tesco is only an offer- not a promise to give said tin of beans.
    But when you pay the price they are asking they are obliged to supply the tin of beans.

    The bus offered £350 million a week for the NHS in exchange for people voting leave. As we keep being told - the people voted leave. Now it is up to the Leave campaign to honour their side of the bargain.

    Should I hope for a reply?
     
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  3. elledriver

    elledriver Lead commenter

    Awkward, given they have no power to do so then or now.
     
  4. lexus300

    lexus300 Star commenter

    How would the 'leave campaign' execute such a requirement?
     
  5. irs1054

    irs1054 Lead commenter

    But that's the whole point about everything to do with the referendum.

    The electorate was supposed to play ball and vote remain and so whether it was an offer, a political promise or anything else wouldn't matter because the circumstances wouldn't come to pass.

    But, as we all know, it didn't work out that way.

    Polly Toynbee described the campaign (both sides) as a jolly, public school jape where truth and accuracy just didn't figure. Also not figuring, any sort of responsibility for the possible consequences.

    The result is that the British electorate have been sold up the river. This was not democracy, it was a travesty of democracy made possible by the fact that we don't have a proper constitution.
     
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  6. lexus300

    lexus300 Star commenter

    Both sides of the argument lied or if you wish to be kind, distorted the truth.
    Both sides failed to put forward detailed and honest arguments to support their view.
    It was right IMO., that the electorate were allowed to decide.
    Whether their decision would have been different had the debate been honest and informed is something we will never know.
     
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  7. racroesus

    racroesus Star commenter

    I did too. It certainly made me realise why getting out would be a disaster.
     
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  8. racroesus

    racroesus Star commenter

    But given the Remain campaign, what are the chances?
     
  9. racroesus

    racroesus Star commenter

    I'm no fan of Polly but I think she nailed it.
     
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  10. irs1054

    irs1054 Lead commenter

    I certainly don't wish to be kind about either side. The debacle from beginning to end was an abuse of British electorate.
     
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  11. lexus300

    lexus300 Star commenter

    It was very poor along with the media coverage which could have shone a light on things had they not been so partisan, on both sides.
     
  12. elledriver

    elledriver Lead commenter

    Will we still be arguing about the bus on 30/03/18?
     
  13. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter

    Lol, it gets funnier everyday

    An absolute disaster, and getting worse all the time.

    I'm sure sense will prevail and some halfway house will be found where the clowns who voted out can save face, and the country survives without having to undergo a long-term financial disaster
     
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  14. florian gassmann

    florian gassmann Star commenter

    I have said in post after post that if a promise was intended, the word promise would have been used rather than the word "let's" which is a suggestion.

    Even if you don't believe the definition in the OED, plain common sense should tell you that the Leave team could not possibly have promised anything because they were not - and never will be, now they are disbanded - a government.
     
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  15. irs1054

    irs1054 Lead commenter

    LOL, You really have no idea do you? You have just admitted my case against you.

    You have no idea of what the definition you are talking about actually is. It doesn't just include "suggestion". But then, you have already demonstrated your lack of ability to deal with dictionaries.

    It doesn't matter whether the people concerned could ever have enacted the promise. All that matters is what happened at the time. An empty promise is still a promise of sorts.
     
  16. Crowbob

    Crowbob Established commenter

    The beans on the shelf with a price tag are not an offer. They are an 'invitation to treat'.
     
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  17. burajda

    burajda Lead commenter

    The Limp Dems said lets cut student fees. They had no power to do so. the electorate hammered them later on. Despite the 'facts', this Conservative Brexit government will be blamed if there is no commitment to significant extra NHS spending, well beyond the feeble £8 billion promised over 5 years.
     
  18. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter

    From the pro-Brexit Express:

    Why EU MUST budge on Brexit: Experts warn Eurotunnel will be blocked for SEVEN YEARS
    CUSTOMS declarations will explode in the wake of Brexit causing huge border delays for seven years without a transitional agreement, experts have warned.

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...e-Eurotunnel-Dover-Calais-blocked-seven-years

    Now who will suffer more if this is correct - or even only partially correct - the UK or the EU?
     
  19. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter

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  20. sparkleghirl

    sparkleghirl Lead commenter

    Just about to post that same link.

    Had it been known that Brexit would jeopardise the peace agreement and/or NI's place within the UK, would it have changed the outcome? Or would most people not care enough about Ireland?
     

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