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Brexit Ferry update

Discussion in 'Personal' started by afterdark, Feb 10, 2019.

  1. colpee

    colpee Star commenter

    It would be some comfort to think that there was a dastardly conspiracy plan, but TBH the simple answer is the most likely - a clot in charge, blundering around grasping at any weird idea that he hopes will give some impression of planning and action, and oblivious to the fact that he is merely publicising his incompetence.
     
  2. sparklesparkle

    sparklesparkle Established commenter

    I am not a Tory. Perhaps by "Tory" you actually mean "a person who has decent reasoning skills"?

    You stated: "This is statement that seems designed to avoid saying that money has been leost elsewhere.
    So what monies have been lost and where did it all go?"

    I asked you to explain why you think money has been lost and you responded with abuse.

    Please explain how the pizza takeaway leaflet is relevant to money getting lost.

    I take it you don't have any evidence that money has actually been lost?
     
  3. afterdark

    afterdark Lead commenter

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    That is my point.

    Does awarding a contract have zero cost ? I doubt it.

    Also the awarding of the contract stopped Thanet council from cutting 730 k pounds from spending on the port. That money could have been distributed elsewhere. Almost certainly saving the taxpayer money, don't you believe it that type of thing.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-47163350

    Have spurious loans been taken out by the company awarded a 13 Million pound contract?

    Your straw man arguments are weak. I'll quote myself.

     
  4. TES_Rosaline

    TES_Rosaline Administrator Staff Member

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  5. Ivartheboneless

    Ivartheboneless Star commenter

    Can we please have the definition of "trolling" that you apply to this forum? I have looked online and there are several slightly different ones. It would help to know what you consider to be trolling, in order that it can be reported as such.
     
  6. nomad

    nomad Star commenter

  7. sparkleghirl

    sparkleghirl Star commenter

    Soooo, rather than give the contracts openly to three EU companies, Seaborne was created as a front for an Irish ferry operator to save the government's face (what's left of it) and to pretend that some of the work would go to UK companies.
     
  8. LondonCanary

    LondonCanary Star commenter

    Was it? Is that an opinion among commentators?
     
  9. sparklesparkle

    sparklesparkle Established commenter

    Not as far as I know. Channel 4 news reported that the Irish company looked into tendering but they couldn't make it viable and turned it down. They didn't report any kind of a cover-up, but then again what would you expect. Channel 4's strings are no doubt pulled by the Tory/Zionist/lizard people cabal... :p
     
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  10. colpee

    colpee Star commenter

    I didn’t realise that sticking to the topic was a rule:eek: Thread drift is one of the pleasures of forum exchanges.
     
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  11. afterdark

    afterdark Lead commenter

    https://www.parliament.uk/documents/commons-committees/public-accounts/Correspondence/2017-19/Memorandum for PAC - The award of contracts for ferry services.pdf

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    800,000 quid on consultants is the cost.

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  12. florian gassmann

    florian gassmann Star commenter

    Grayling said that the Seaborne contract was "at no cost to the tax payer". There are two other, much larger contracts involved.

    The £800,000 surely includes for consultancy on the 90% of work that was never going to be allocated to Seaborne?

    This place gets more and more like an Infant School playground. :rolleyes:
     
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  13. sparklesparkle

    sparklesparkle Established commenter

    You stated there was "money lost elsewhere" in your OP. You say it was "800,000 quid" and have linked to this document. I can find no evidence of "800,000 quid" in this document. Where is it please and why are you describing it as "lost"?

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    You stated yesterday that I lied but I hadn't done so. Have you read TES_Rosaline's post above? Chris Grayling stated there were no costs to the taxpayer with regard to Seaborne. Unless you can prove that there were costs with regard to Seaborne, [This comment/section/image has been removed for breaching our Community Guidelines/Terms and conditions]. This is against the TES terms and conditions and it may be actionable in law.
    Unless you can provide clarification and evidence, you are proven wrong.
     
  14. afterdark

    afterdark Lead commenter

    Because you did not look perhaps?

    Page 15

    "For work relating to the procurement process up to the end of December 2018, the
    Department spent approximately £800,000 on its external consultants: Slaughter & May;
    Deloitte; and Mott MacDonald."

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    Here is the quote in the UK news.

    Mr Grayling said "not a penny of taxpayers' money has gone, or will go" to Seaborne Freight.

    from BBC news

    https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-poli...ing-on-ending-seaborne-freight-ferry-contract

    And as I pointed out, he is avoiding talking about the other costs, e.g. the consultants.
    https://news.sky.com/story/transpor...exit-ferry-contract-cancellation-fee-11634767
     
  15. florian gassmann

    florian gassmann Star commenter

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  16. sparklesparkle

    sparklesparkle Established commenter

    The consultancy fees have been spend ON THE TENDERING PROCESS NOT ON SEABORNE FREIGHT.

    Apologies to other users for writing in capitals but it seems the OP is deliberately missing this fact.
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    It is against the TES terms and conditions and potentially libellous.
     
  17. afterdark

    afterdark Lead commenter

    [This comment/section/image has been removed for breaching our Community Guidelines/Terms and conditions] his response is his way of smugly avoiding the fact that this decision and subsequent u-turn will ultimately cost the taxpayer money.

    You might find this obfuscation acceptable, I do not. After 10 years of grinding Tory Austerity it is yet another insult to the taxpaying public. I do not consider a politician avoiding the issue of nearly a million pounds of tax payers money has been spent in this farce.
     
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  18. afterdark

    afterdark Lead commenter

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  19. sparklesparkle

    sparklesparkle Established commenter

    You linked to a document which clearly stated three companies were awarded tenders. At least one other tendered for the contract and withdrew. The consultants' fees were spent on ALL COMPANIES. They were undertaking a process known as due diligence, which the government is obliged to undertake in order to verify the companies are reliable.

    In post 34 you said: "Mr Grayling said "not a penny of taxpayers' money has gone, or will go" to Seaborne Freight." This is correct
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  20. florian gassmann

    florian gassmann Star commenter

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