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Brexit Ferry update

Discussion in 'Personal' started by afterdark, Feb 10, 2019.

  1. afterdark

    afterdark Lead commenter

  2. towncryer

    towncryer Lead commenter

    Expecting any integrity from anyone in the current government is a little optimistic...don't you think?
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  3. florian gassmann

    florian gassmann Star commenter

    What is it that you don't understand about the Seaborne contract being "payment by results"?
    If they had transported any goods, they would have been paid.
    Since they are not transporting goods, they won't be paid.
  4. colpee

    colpee Star commenter

    Well, just making and maintaining government contracts costs money and time, so there is waste there. Convincing the local council to keep the ferry port open for ths deal, despite it sucking the best part of £2 million per year is wastage.

    Of course these are the bits that are known. This debacle is typical of Grayling, he is splashing money elsewhere on equally stupid transport ‘contingency plans’ (e.g the lorry park palaver). You can guarantee there will be much more to come!
    towncryer and emerald52 like this.
  5. peakster

    peakster Star commenter

    There used to be a radio series called "The men from the Ministry" detailing the incompetent goings on within a fictional government department.

    Grayling would fit in wonderfully - why is he still in post ?
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  6. florian gassmann

    florian gassmann Star commenter

    Have you seen the contract? Seaborne's terms and conditions were just copied and pasted from a pizza takeaway firm, which should be a pretty clear indication that it was not a serious project, any more than the supposed stress test of Kent motorways by articulated lorries.

    The development of Ramsgate Port pre-dates Brexit by many years.
  7. harsh-but-fair

    harsh-but-fair Star commenter

    What has this got to do with the price of fish?
  8. florian gassmann

    florian gassmann Star commenter

    Oh, I thought that was obvious to most people. Colpee claimed that the cost of keeping Ramsgate Port open was a result of the Seaborne deal. It wasn't. Thanet have been paying to keep Ramsgate Port and Harbour open in the hope of redeveloping it for the last 20 years or more.
    nomad likes this.
  9. Mangleworzle

    Mangleworzle Star commenter

  10. colpee

    colpee Star commenter

    No, not the cost, a cost
    “Convincing the local council to keep the ferry port open for ths deal, despite it sucking the best part of £2 million per year is wastage.”

    I was thinking more of the reports of Thanet council wanting to cut the spending on Ramsgate to try and balance their budget; they have delayed those decisions as requested by Chris Grayling.
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  11. colpee

    colpee Star commenter

    Unfortunately nothing I have seen or heard of Grayling suggests these are not the level of contingency planning he thinks appropriate.
    In money terms £50k to the drivers taking part, plus costs for preparing the roads, laying cones, policing etc have almost certainly been a waste of money.
  12. florian gassmann

    florian gassmann Star commenter

    The request for the delay is dated 7th Feb in your link. The cancellation of the Seaborne contract was announced two days later. I dont' really think that postponing the decision by 48 hours will have been a huge cost to Thanet. ;)

    Trying to convince people that No Deal is a possibility was never going to be cheap.
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  13. colpee

    colpee Star commenter

    Of course not. He is one of those ministerial incompetents who believe so much in their own ability, that disasters occuring under their direct control are purely caused by other people.
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  14. florian gassmann

    florian gassmann Star commenter

    Well, they usually are the result of decisions by civil servants who hide behind the skirts of politicians who, after all, only have a couple of hours a week to run huge departments, but 'twas ever thus.

    I do get the impression that ministers are less inclined to resign for mistakes by their officials these days. I wouldn't be surprised if they eventually do the unthinkable and name the civil servants concerned (instead of giving them a peerage or knighthood).
  15. sparklesparkle

    sparklesparkle Established commenter

    The statement seems very clear and unambiguous to me.

    Why do you suspect a conspiracy? Where is your evidence?

    Are the lizard people at it again?
  16. afterdark

    afterdark Lead commenter

    [This comment/section/image has been removed for breaching our Community Guidelines/Terms and conditions]

    Why suspect a conspiracy? Because the ferry contract awarded to a company with no ferries and a website that appeared to have been copied and from a pizza takeaway.

    That might not ring any warning bells with you.
  17. Bobbbs

    Bobbbs Occasional commenter


    Doesn't mean indirect costs were incurred.
  18. harsh-but-fair

    harsh-but-fair Star commenter

    Not to mention the cost of preparing the airfield ...

    In January 2018 The Isle of Thanet News exclusively revealed the emergency lorry park designation [of former Manston Airfield] had cost the Department for Transport more than £5.7 million since 2015. The majority of the money was for site preparations. It has never been used for emergency lorry parking.
  19. florian gassmann

    florian gassmann Star commenter

    How could there possibly be a "conspiracy" when no payment was (or would be) made unless they used a ferry?
    Last edited: Feb 11, 2019
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  20. florian gassmann

    florian gassmann Star commenter

    The decision to use Manston Airfield for a lorry park in case of disruption of cross-channel ferries by French farmers blocking roads was taken in 2011, years before Brexit.

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