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Breaking: You must be a woman to compete in Miss Universe

Discussion in 'Personal' started by Vince_Ulam, Mar 10, 2018.

  1. Orkrider2

    Orkrider2 Star commenter

    Cor, for someone who don't care you don't half go on ;)
     
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  2. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

    What is the standard idea of what a woman "should/does look like"?

    Genius-level reasoning there, and these are the sort of people who would be encouraged by the removal of social conventions around female-only spaces so it's best these are not eroded.

    I love your little stories about what happened to you last night or the night before. I never believe a word of them, of course. Are they supposed to be somehow convincing of something or other?
     
  3. Orkrider2

    Orkrider2 Star commenter

    You tell me. You're the one maintaining that you can always tell.

    Who is removing social conventions around female-only spaces?

    We need a shrug emoji.
     
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  4. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

    I've explained before now the ways in which it is possible to distinguish men from women. If you believe there is a standard model for women then you should be able to describe it.

    Anyone who argues that men who identify as women should be automatically permitted access to these is attempting this.
     
  5. Moony

    Moony Lead commenter

    Yes, we're the ones (collectively) that get to decide how they are policed, if at all, not the likes of you so but out.

    Each and everytime?

    No, no you are not....because if you were you would respect the rights of women that are transwomen.
     
  6. Moony

    Moony Lead commenter

    Yeah, but you don't get to define what women accept as women.
     
  7. Moony

    Moony Lead commenter

    Even the atoms of stable nuclei were formed due to atomic fusion in a star, which effectively makes them all nuclear waste. When a radiogenic isotope decays to a stable isotope the daughter atom is still a product of nuclear decay even if it isn't radioactive itself.
     
  8. Moony

    Moony Lead commenter

    This, so much this!
     
  9. TCSC47

    TCSC47 Star commenter

    Come on Vince. Are you going to retract your statement that beauty pageants are women only spaces?? They are populated, organised, and watched by the dirty mac wearing brigade -- and don't tell me they are female.
     
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  10. BelleDuJour

    BelleDuJour Star commenter

    Do other animals have gender issues too?
    Does my pet dog want to be gender neutral (irrespective of having had his nuts cut off)?
    Do elephants want to undergo gender re-assignment?
    If not then why is this a peculiarly human trait?
    And if it is, does that mean there is a 'learned' aspect of it?
    So many questions to which there are no answers..............
     
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  11. TCSC47

    TCSC47 Star commenter

    Vince -----?
     
  12. Nanook_rubs_it

    Nanook_rubs_it Star commenter

    Interesting question; a quick google brought up this:

    We tend to think of gender expression, and especially gender non-conformity, as uniquely human. However, many other species gain distinct advantages by projecting an appearance that doesn’t “match” their biological sex. Snakes, lizards, beetles, fish, and birds, to name a few, all exhibit “transgender” behaviors in which males imitate females to gain advantages, including reduced competition, better access to territory, and improved mating opportunities.

    The reasons may be conjecture, but trans-gender behaviour may not be just a human preserve.

    EDIT: More detail on animals that exhibit trans gender behaviours: https://blog.nationalgeographic.org/2013/09/22/7-gender-altering-animals/
     
  13. BelleDuJour

    BelleDuJour Star commenter

    Some interesting articles here....but personally I doubt animals have the cognitive ability to determine gender, beyond what instinct has programmed into them.
     
  14. Dunteachin

    Dunteachin Star commenter

    I'm entering for it. :)
     
  15. BelleDuJour

    BelleDuJour Star commenter

    Filth!
     
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  16. Dunteachin

    Dunteachin Star commenter

    Not the bikini bit, though...
     
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  17. Stiltskin

    Stiltskin Lead commenter

    My experiences tell me that when one or the other doesn't conform to stereotypes they often struggle,

    *recalling a time a heavy metal loving friend decided to grow a goatee to stop men trying to chat him up thinking he was female*
     
  18. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

    I have not stated this.
     
  19. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    Well there goes my reason for going...
     
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  20. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    So are you arguing that transgender in humans is really about acquiring perceived advantages from being another gender?
     

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