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booking cut short

Discussion in 'Supply teaching' started by tonymars, Oct 21, 2019.

  1. shirt7

    shirt7 New commenter

    I know you mean well Peakster, but one year does not a supply teacher make! You need to go to Hell and back to really understand. You took the safe option of a long term post after your year of supply and I notice you often refer to your ONE year. I’ve done it for over 20 years-it’s on a different level. I’m not trying to have a go at you......just saying!
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  2. peakster

    peakster Star commenter

    I've also been a "regular" teacher for 20 odd years and am experienced enough to know what supply is all about thanks.

    I'm sure you are an excellent supply teacher Shirt but I don't always understand the levels of masochism involved to make a career out of it.
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  3. shirt7

    shirt7 New commenter

    Ha ha! The first 7 years is masochism but once you really get the hang of it , the next 13 years is pure joy!
    But yes, I do acknowledge that if you’re not on top of things, it’s very tough!
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  4. peakster

    peakster Star commenter

    I will happily admit that the first 3 months of my supply teaching year were by far the toughest of my entire teaching career.
  5. shirt7

    shirt7 New commenter

    Yes don’t mind me. I’m one of the few who does supply teaching as a career choice. You can only do it well if you go in ‘all guns blazing’. I just get annoyed that so many on this forum are always looking for help from senior management, the teacher next door etc. The nice ones will indeed help but don’t expect to be booked again. You’re paid to work out a way to deal with what’s in front of you.
  6. MissGeorgi

    MissGeorgi Occasional commenter

    Sounds like both schools had unrealistic expectations. Some really expect too much from supply teachers.
    I taught at a really nice school today, although last period the class were very silly. When I asked for support, another teacher swapped her class and mine, so I had a very well behaved group. At no point was I blamed for this. SLT apologised to me profusely. I thanked them for their support.
  7. historygrump

    historygrump Star commenter Forum guide

    Tonymars. I understand your problems and as other people have said grit your teeth, for every bed school like you have encounter you will encounter more good schools. The schools and the SMT let you down and failed in their jobs. To some extent you did the right thing in explaining to the HoD that the work could be improved, today for example I told the HoD that the work set had already been done over previous weeks by different supplies and I explained how I changed it. so the work ceased to be repetitive and the HoD was thankful because they did not know. Having said that I have been to the school on a number of times. If the work set is poor then I tend to think on my feet and change it slightly and by thinking on your feet, most HoDs would be happy by this. It is worse when the work set is posters, how the kids are sick of posters.

    In terms of behaviour some schools do like the fact that visiting teachers expose the poor behaviour of the students and like to pretend they are good students, I always follow the procedure, always ask what is the behavioural policy on the way to the classroom, peak to the teacher in the next classroom and always check what is the procedure for calling on-call. Having said that the in-call system at the school I was today is so bad as to be non-existent, in fact that they have effectively 1 person to deal with 1200 plus kids, no on-call button on sims as well.

    So do not let it get you down and in time you will have skin like a Rhino, always remember the kids are like wolfs looking for a lamb to devour and supply are seen as the lamb, be polite, calm and follow the procedures, to ensure that the kids cannot claim you failed to follow the rules.
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  8. tonymars

    tonymars Established commenter

    It's good to see this thread developing, much excellent advice, both for myself and I am sure for others.

    Treat each day as if it's your last. Yes, as a permanent or a supply, when I did this, these were always the best days.

    It's nice to reminded that I am not alone - supply can be very lonely place.

    From the responses it seems that there are basically two responses to the poor behaviour which is, at least to some degree, inevitably to be encountered as a supply: keep shtum, shut up; or use policy - assuming one is given - to the letter. I am instinctively drawn to the later, but the reality might be that whatever approach is more effective for the humble supply teacher - i.e. that their placements are not prematurely cut short, and to a lesser extent stress from behaviour - depends on the school, or rather specific individuals within the school. It is up to us, therefore, to form an opinion, very quickly as to which is the best. One might say hey be strict, use the policy to the letter, and if this results in a "complaint" from a teenage malcontent and subsequent termination of the placement, at least you've done "nothing wrong."

    But, the end result is the same. Lost wages.

    This thread has helped me understand that I should not take any curtailment personally or too seriously. Also, the sheer insecurity of the thing, even at peak times, and to rely on a short, but steady stream of income is unrealistic and naïve.

    I still hold that the disposability of supplies has changed in the last year, for one reason or another, what do others think?
  9. historygrump

    historygrump Star commenter Forum guide

    This year the work is less and I think that schools are now looking for a pool of supply teachers, rather then taking random people, I also think that there more supply teachers, so we are to some extent disposable in terms of how we are treated and in truth we have always been disposable, combine these factors with a reduced budgets for supply staff in schools then at present the supply sector is in a perfect storm.
  10. lovejoy_antiques

    lovejoy_antiques Senior commenter

    Sorry to hear this. If you want the job of sheriff on amity island don't mention the shark in the room!
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  11. lovejoy_antiques

    lovejoy_antiques Senior commenter

    Took today off to get my car repaired. Got a call from the agency this afternoon telling me my placement at zero discipline high has been terminated. The reasons given being lateness and a parental complaint!

    I have honestly never been late to the school. Also this is the first I've heard of a parental complaint. To be honest I'm glad to be out of the place. It could be good luck, could be bad luck.

    I think the real reason may be that I reported one too many behaviour incidents and the powers that be decided it must be my fault!

    I see it as a blessing in a way as the place was an ordeal everyday. However I feel wronged in that I have never been late and feel falsely accused. And surely any parental complaint is based solely on the version of events their child has concocted. Surely they'd have asked me about it if there was a concern? I know on supply they don't have to give a reason. But it p*ss*s me off!
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  12. Jesmond12

    Jesmond12 Star commenter

    Sorry to hear your news but as you say it is a blessing in disguise. I just pity the next supply that has to work there where discipline is clearly non existent.
  13. abwdSTEM

    abwdSTEM Occasional commenter

    I wouldn't believe either of those reasons. It is more likely the school is just trying to pass the buck and picked some reasons out of thin air.

    But its also likely they pulled the same stunt before so the agency probably doesn't believe them either. Good agencies do get to suss out which are the bad schools too,
  14. a1976

    a1976 Established commenter

    They may not be able to get a supply teacher there. There are lots of schools in the towns near my village where supply teachers refuse to go to.
  15. a1976

    a1976 Established commenter

    True. Also, it could be that they have internal cover lined up just in case the school will be closing. Still, schools (and agencies) have pulled a LOT of stunts.
  16. pepper5

    pepper5 Star commenter

    Agree...a blessing in disguise. It is very dangerous working in schools where the behaviour is out of control.

    The did you a MASSIVE favour.
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  17. lovejoy_antiques

    lovejoy_antiques Senior commenter

    Been thinking about it and I reckon the school is looking at plans to lockdown and I reckon on long term supply they might be obliged to pay you sick pay if you've been there a few months. Hence make up some bull about lateness and sent me packing! Be interesting to hear if other long term supply people got laid off?
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  18. elvispenhaligon

    elvispenhaligon Occasional commenter

    I'm long term at a school and I am avoiding biting the bullet and asking them if I'm going to be paid (LOLOLOL) the answer will be "FO pal" I'm pretty sure.
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  19. lovejoy_antiques

    lovejoy_antiques Senior commenter

    Don't we have rights after 12 weeks? I'm sure there is some rule to that effect?
  20. peakster

    peakster Star commenter

    I was talking to one of our long term supply teachers yesterday. He's been with us for 6 months but will not be paid (he thinks) or get any other benefits if we close.
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