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Blair on education

Discussion in 'Education news' started by JL48, Mar 13, 2016.

  1. JL48

    JL48 Star commenter


    "Mr Blair believes education could benefit from the innovation of different types of school providers. . . .this could include for-profit schools."

    Apparently he wants to do things. I think that he would benefit from staying silent. Comment?
  2. Middlemarch

    Middlemarch Star commenter

    The article says he said this of "developing countries", though why they deserve to be ripped off by the private sector I do not know.

    My favourite part was this: "he called on the current education ministers to "scour the world" for the ideas that worked best."

    Apart from the fact that it's been the cherry-picking of "ideas" from other countries, taking them entirely out of context and expecting them to work in the same way here, that's made a right old mess of education in England since 1997 - yes, why don't they do that thing?
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  3. rachel_g41

    rachel_g41 Established commenter

    If he can do for education what he's done for Middle East Peace as envoy, he'll be on a par with Gove.
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  4. JL48

    JL48 Star commenter

    "And he did not rule out the idea of using the private sector to run for-profit schools if they "can come in and run schools effectively".

    He said that the public sector is "not good at innovating" and would benefit from a more diverse range of partners to experiment with different ways of delivering education."

    How patronising.
  5. Middlemarch

    Middlemarch Star commenter

    Like he knows anything at all about it.
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  6. monicabilongame

    monicabilongame Star commenter

    I have yet to fathom out how you can run a school or a health service for profit, unless you make people pay to access it..... oh, wait....!
  7. darklord11

    darklord11 Occasional commenter

    The man is a blatant liar, caused the current level of uncertainty in the world with made up evidence of WMD's. Should really be standing trail as a war monger who has made significant financial gains from the misery he has caused.
    As for education it was his government's idea off Academies and look at the mess we are in, should be held to account and made to pay for the lack of decent education children receive.
    Blair = MUPPET
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  8. HelenREMfan

    HelenREMfan Star commenter

    He is far from being a "Muppet" He is a calculatedly, devious political who has personally benefitted massively from what he has done. He was at best the figurehead of an assassination of the Labour party as a party for working class people and the disservice he has done working people in this country beggars belief.
  9. Skeptical_John

    Skeptical_John New commenter

    The attitudes espoused on this thread are why we're going to have a minimum of another 10 years of tory rule.
  10. JL48

    JL48 Star commenter

    If you are for invading Iraq, and for profit schools / NHS, then you are a tory - albeit possibly a relatively moderate one.
  11. Skeptical_John

    Skeptical_John New commenter

    If you cant see a difference between what Osbourne is doing (like about increase tax thresholds on the backs of the disabled) vs what happened under the last labour government like raising NI for the NHS or the huge amounts spent on education then you really do not give a damn about those who need a Labour government most (ie not middle class teachers)
  12. Middlemarch

    Middlemarch Star commenter

    Who has said they don't see that difference? This isn't a thread about those policies; however, I'm as against what this government is doing on the issues you mention as I am against any notion (and it coming from a former Labour PM doesn't make it any more palatable) of privatising education.
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  13. JL48

    JL48 Star commenter

    I can see a difference.

    I'm just very disappointed to hear a ex-Labour PM extolling the virtues of a privatised education system.
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  14. Skeptical_John

    Skeptical_John New commenter

    Well he was talking about developing countries. There is no need for for-profit education in the UK, however developing countries do not have our established institutions with huge checks and balances on what governments do.
    I've read studies of countries like India where parents are sending their kids to for-profit schools even though state education is free. This is because the teachers hardly ever turn up or they are just run so badly. The for-profit schools in India are not like what we might imagine, they are very basic and affordable for anyone on median incomes. If this works for them then it might work in other countries?

    If you're interested in the study...
  15. TCSC47

    TCSC47 Star commenter

    Sadly correct! And that is why the Labour party membership elected Corbyn as their leader to try to stop it.

    Tony B. Liar. --- Blair, spawn of Thatcher.

    Blair (sic)- "I need a sound bite. Go and dig up something from Wikipedia" - "lets make gambling easier and introduce big casinos in the poor areas of Manchester" -- "Lets allow the police to frog march yobbos to their cash machines for on street fines." -- "Lets start the destruction of state run education. which my mates in the Nasty party will gleefully run with! (Gee, I wish I had joined them instead!). And anyway I've got my lad into a church funded school which has selection to keep out the yobs, so I don't need to look hypocritical about using a public school, like Dianne Abbott" -- "And Hey! My mate Gordon has this brilliant idea called PFI that means we can look good by spending money we don't have. What do you mean we will be paying them back forever?"

    And finally "George, I lu-u-rrve you, I do! Who are we bombing this week?
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  16. TCSC47

    TCSC47 Star commenter

    And then there are the absolutely obscene amounts of money he charges on the talk / chat circuit. He doesn't need NHS services, he or his family don't need state schooling. He doesn't even need the police. He has his own security and could probably afford a small army if he wanted. He doesn't need ANYTHING that the rest of us have to obtain and expect from our society.

    He has absolutely no stake in our community that the rest of us live in. Upon what basis does he think he has the right to pontificate on it? He is yesterdays man, living in yesterdays world.

    Blair, nobody is listening any more!!
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  17. Didactylos4

    Didactylos4 Star commenter

    Better that than competing with the Tories for the near right
  18. JL48

    JL48 Star commenter

    He emphasised their use in developing countries, but the implication was that they could work in the UK too as the public sector isn't any good at innovating.

    The Economist regularly publishes articles on this kind of thing. There are also plenty of news reports extolling the virtues of for-profit education. Once the principle has been established . . .

    How about putting something into place, so that the public / government school system actually works?
  19. JL48

    JL48 Star commenter

    Oh, he's at it again here

    How ironic that he's talking about the quality of state education in the UAE, where the requirement to get into local universities for Emiratis is 2 Es at iGCSE.

    It's also the home of some dreadful, but lucrative for-profit chain schools, who no doubt paid his plane fare and hotel.

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