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Discussion in 'Personal' started by nomad, Jul 1, 2020 at 11:08 AM.
You don't say!
I'd be surprised if that did, and the crowds on beaches a week ago, or the illegal raves (or even those rushing into Primark etc when it reopened) didn't.
So would I. We are constantly being told that outdoor gatherings are nowhere near as big a risk as working for hours on end close to others in an enclosed environment such as a slaughterhouse, meat processing plant, clothing sweatshop or even perhaps a school.
The difference will be that people who went to Bournemouth came from all over the place and there probably won't be a distinct recognisable spike in one place, but extra cases spread over a much wider area.
This is a readily transferred infection through the air or by touch, the idea that it is ok to collect anywhere in any kind of crowd is ok and won't make any difference is just wishful thinking by those who are bored of lockdown and those who want everyone else back to work so they can start earning money for them again.
While infections and deaths are declining here, they seem to be doing so much more slowly than in the rest of the badly hit European countries.
I suspect most current activities where people are gathering are doing that.
It's almost like we're governed by stupid people who still don't understand how viruses work.
The only positive spin I could put on it, is that protesting decades of systemic abuse and disadvantage and the flashpoint of yet another murdered black American, is a little different to selfish people driving down to Bournemouth to **** and **** on the beach. The result in terms of spread of the virus will be little different though.
Surely not! Oh, wait....
There are even more who want to be back to work so they can start earning money for themselves and their families.
There is a unbalanced prioritization of the application of safety protocols. Bosses, managers and investors tend not to have to take the risks that the workers do, Leicester is an example of this.
Isn't going to work a good thing for everyone? Wages are paid, taxes collected, tax revenue spent for the benefit of the people? People have a purpose in their lives, the young develop a work ethic etc. I struggle to see why the idea of people going back to work is a negative thing as long as it is safe to do so.
It's a very specific example. Most people work for reasonable employers or themselves. They are experiencing a significant loss of income and their jobs may soon not exist. They would like to be working again.
If there is a spike and lockdown do all those back of work lose all benefits such as furlough pay of dole?
We all could be already, were it not for the negligent approach adopted. The cruel irony is that those who shouted loudest to get people back to work, are the people who have made it more difficult to do that.
We are where we are. Continually harking on about past decisions provides no solutions to economic realities.
(And it would be far from all)
The solutions were offered. Those solutions and the people offering them were ignored or derided. That's why we are where we are. Perhaps now is the time to listen to those people?
It's a whole city example.
There are also whole state examples from the USA where opening up businesses isn't going well, also examples from Germany and Anglesey. Keep looking the other way though, the view might be better in that direction.
Of course we want to get back to normal as soon as possible, but we need to accept the extent and seriousness of the problem and address it properly. Currently what we're doing is taking the 10 day course of antibiotics from the doctor and stopping on day 5 because we feel better and it's inconvenient to carry on. The long term prognosis of this approach is worse than dealing with it properly, those encouraging the risky behaviour of others for their own benefit are reprehensible.
Jobs come and go, businesses come and go, some seem to consider that the lives of others come and go too. The lives of individuals only come and go once.
One thing I've been (once again) disgusted by is the cavalier attitude of some to the health, safety and lives of others as long it benefits them and they are safe. So many seem to have self certified as being qualified to offer assurances to people who will take risks they themselves don't have to.
What are their proposals to avoid economic catastrophe?
Not making any excuses, but I know that at least some of the BLM protests had stewards on hand reminding attendees about social distancing, and handing out face masks. They were ignored by some but that doesn't mean they didn't try. The media hype isn't the whole story.
Given that textile factories operating illegally during lockdown are a likely source of the Leicester upsurge, one has to wonder if similar expoitative and unsafe practices by manufacturers and food processing sites elsewhere have also had a part to play.
That's in addition to standing in a close packed crowd and shouting about George Floyd, of course.
Don't be so arrogant. Listen to experts next time.
Arrogant? You suggested listening to experts. I was asking what are experts ideas / proposals to avoid economic catastrophe now?
What happened 3 months ago has little relevance to a solution.
When the Titanic survivors were in their lifeboat they were looking for rescue and not interested by the person telling them about how a different hull design and watertight doors would have mitigated the sinking.