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Benefits of long term supply

Discussion in 'Supply teaching' started by Ds2d12, May 7, 2020.

  1. Ds2d12

    Ds2d12 Occasional commenter

    What are the benefits of long term supply over “normal” teaching?

    obviously with day to day there is no planning etc, so why would someone do a long term placement over a permanent contract?
     
  2. a1976

    a1976 Established commenter

    There is no benefit whatsoever, except there is no requirement of notice of when you can leave if you find that the job is not to your liking. Also, the school can get rid of you at a moments notice too, without any notice. Imagine you staying up to 3.00 in the morning to plan or mark and then get told the next morning you're not needed. All that time wasted. Also, don't expect to get free lessons to mark and plan either because chances are high that you will be used for cover. So there is no benefit to long-term supply.
     
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  3. 50sman

    50sman Lead commenter

    Also you have no pension
     
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  4. becky70

    becky70 Occasional commenter

    You can leave more easily if you don't like it. Some schools won't bother observing and monitoring if you're on long term supply.
    A permanent contract is always the best option as long as the school isn't too bad but not everyone can get one.
     
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  5. a1976

    a1976 Established commenter

    That too. Also, it is very likely that before you begin, certain 'alterations' to the timetable will have been done so that you take the bottom of the barrel lessons while whatever (if there was any) good lessons the original teacher had are given to other teachers, possibly cover supervisors. Also, be prepared to have kids moved into your lesson and you being used as a dumping ground for ill-behaved kids. My advice is, don't do it. If you are not covering for maternity leave, you need to wonder why the original teacher or teachers left.
     
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  6. rumana_x

    rumana_x New commenter

    For me, one of the biggest benefits has been that there’s no pressure involved in long term supply. One of the reasons why I left my permanent teaching role was the constant pressure of being responsible for the ‘progress’ of my students. Before I left, I had 9 classes with 32 students in each. Even though some were shared, I was the main teacher for all of them. Imagine being responsible for the progress of around 280 students. It was ridiculous.

    Another benefit for me (as my specialism is English), is that marking as a supply teacher is usually tick and flick, or can be made easy using mark sheets which can be filled in with brief comments. Again, this is a welcome change from having to mark the books of 9 classes on a rotation of two weeks, as well as all the assessments and mock exams. Your books as supply rarely get looked at. Most departmental staff are just pleased if you establish a good relationship with the class, have great behaviour management, and get through the lesson content.

    I think my biggest love is that I get to go home on time and switch off from work, as I don’t have any other commitments. It’s been much healthier in terms of having a work/life balance.
     
  7. BoldAsBrass

    BoldAsBrass Occasional commenter

    I got a permanent role off the back of a long term supply role (my first one) I'd only done half a term to February, they offered me a job from the September.

    Another benefit is it gives you a guaranteed five days a week, over sporadic day-to-day supply. Still no holiday pay but free to leave if its part of your deal and you're not locked in.

    It worked for me but I loved the day to day, 'in and out the door by twenty past four' was my rule. Always got plenty of repeat work too. No commitment, just straight forward, no nonsense teaching and delivery, mark work, leave notes about the day inc any issues, coat and home.

    I will return to supply once I'm semi retired @ 55. That's the plan.
     
  8. Deirds

    Deirds Senior commenter

    Schools seem happy enough to take me on a long term Supply but not on a permanent job. I get interviews and am sent home first for permanent jobs. Call me cynical but I think I’m invited to interview because “We can tick invited to interview for an older person so covers anti- ageism”. I am at top of main scale. Therefore expensive. (Yes, I know I can offer to work for NQT wage )

    I think the advantage for an older teacher is purely that it is still possible to get work via long term Supply. Whether this will be the case post Covid-19 is, I think, doubtful.

    Pressure builds up once 12 week rule kicks in and you get paid a decent wage (still no sick pay, pension, etc)...

    I would prefer at the moment to do day to day but this has practically stopped and tends to be Cover Supervisor. Again, I can only see this getting worse next year...

    Hey, ho, we could all be volunteers and work for nothing to help disadvantaged catch up....
     
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  9. a1976

    a1976 Established commenter

    People can't pay me to teach in their schools now. But I also have a feeling that A LOT of supply will be needed when schools reopen.
     
  10. peakster

    peakster Star commenter

    I really doubt that actually - not initially anyway.

    I did two stints as a long term supply teacher and really enjoyed them both. The first one I spent the first three weeks marking the departments exam papers and coursework and then did all sorts of other stuff and the second I was back to regular teaching. I wasn't intending to go back to full time teaching again and was very surprised when I was offered a permanent position by the second school (I turned it down).

    However it got me thinking and I applied for a couple of permanent positions elsewhere and managed to get the first one. That was 5 years ago and I'm still there - a very different school to the one I'd spent a decade in before I went on supply but one I have been happy in.

    If you want a permanent position from supply you have to do long term work and it is hard work. If you're not that interested in a more permanent position then its not so important.

    But bear in mind that the demand for day-to-day work is declining rapidly virtually everywhere these days.
     
  11. steviepal

    steviepal Occasional commenter

    Over a contracted post? None.
     
  12. Deirds

    Deirds Senior commenter

    Strangely enough, some schools forget short/no notice can work two ways...They seem quite genuinely upset when not given much notice - regardless of how often they've done it to people...
     
  13. Deirds

    Deirds Senior commenter

    I am remembering from over 20 years ago that LEAs used to like recessions because that meant more young people training to be teachers and working in schools. Out of recession recruitment was a problem. (This was before the days of unqualified teachers, schools doing their own training, anyone training as many wannabe teachers they could get through their doors...)

    I suspect with the financial situation as it is Supply will be very sparse and extremely badly paid. As it is, the government is suggesting unpaid volunteer ex-teachers fill in any educational gaps...
     
  14. lovejoy_antiques

    lovejoy_antiques Senior commenter

    1.For a permanent job you have to pass an interview process. With long term supply you just get parachuted in to somewhere in crisis.
    2. No performance management b.s.
    3. You're paid by the hour so no obligation to stay late.
    4. No twilight cpd.
    5. It's easy to move on if the school is a nightmare.
    6. They (initially) need you more than you need them.
     
  15. JohnJCazorla

    JohnJCazorla Star commenter

    Though I've (hopefully) bailed out I could see the benefits to long-term supply. Detailed above and I had the bonus of offering Maths/Science and so the school needed me a lot more than I needed them. This was also reflected in receiving £200+ per day, often from Day1.

    I'd often smile and nod when the possibility of permanent was mentioned but I'd then do nothing about it.

    I lasted 3 years from being made redundant in Dec 2016 so it must have had a lot going for it.
     
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  16. Jolly_Roger15

    Jolly_Roger15 Star commenter

    Oh,no! Not officially sanctioned 'opportunities to put something back'! I have been offered these, over the last few years, and it is the one thing that gets the arteries over my temples pulsing. :mad:
     
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  17. SineField

    SineField Occasional commenter

    I completely disagree.

    It all depends why you are doing supply teaching in the first place.

    If you are someone that is looking to develop a long term teaching career, then it is highly debatable whether you need to be registered with an agency to get a perm job anyway since they will be charging a significant commission on any deal they negotiate for you. Just look on TES or apply direct to schools.

    However, if you are not looking for a long term teaching career and are using supply teaching as a stepping stone to something else in the short-medium term then permanent contracts are a terrible idea.

    If you are on a long term supply assignment, yes the chances are you will be on slightly less money than the equivalent perm contract, but if you have half a brain in your head you should understand that the power balance has now massively swung in your favour.

    When you are on a perm contract, the school know they have got you because you need them for references... etc, its UK Schools 101..... pile on the admin, pile on the expectations, eliminate dissenting voices (it can be very fascistic). As a supply teacher your ability to say NO! increases massively..... the school know that you can dump them at a moments notice and that you don't need the school for a reference.

    I was on long term supply at a school once, the HOD was trying to take liberties and I wasn't having any of it so here is basically what I said without batting an eyelid....

    "I'm not prepared to undertake .....XXXX...... because I am a supply teacher and so.....YYYY...., however, I understand that you might want a staff member who would agree to this, so I am prepared as of this moment to give you my minimum agency notice of 1 week, so that you can get someone else in."

    HOD backed down so quickly it would make you head spin if you saw it... and I didn't hear from her regarding ANYTHING for weeks after.

    Understanding the power dynamics can be the best tool in getting your work-life balance back as a supply teacher.
     
  18. Deirds

    Deirds Senior commenter

    I must admit, JollyRoger, you did come to mind when I read about the scheme...

    A charity I used to help with had local links to another charity based in a school. I'm told the co-ordinators eyes lit up when she heard there were 2 teachers in our charity. Our chair was a bit put out when neither of us leaped at the chance to do unpaid tutoring...
     
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  19. soulbrother

    soulbrother New commenter

     
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  20. soulbrother

    soulbrother New commenter

    Ditto!
    I’ve had similar experience when it comes to long term supply v applying for permanent roles
    Furthermore I’ve had battles with my supply agency about 12 week rule. They purport to have an agreement with academy chain leading to a fixed ceiling of pay to long term supply regardless of 12 week rule
     
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