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Behaviour management just dosent improve!

Discussion in 'Behaviour' started by Greyfalcon1, Jun 4, 2018.

  1. Greyfalcon1

    Greyfalcon1 New commenter

    What do you do when behaviour of the pupils is poor all year?

    Some pupils suggest that's its only in my lesson that they misbehave

    I have probably done everything possible but definitely seem to be missing something

    Any thoughts for a better September would be appreciated!
     
  2. pepper5

    pepper5 Star commenter

    Don't believe it when pupils say it is only in your lessons they misbehave and don't enter into any discussions with pupils about it.

    Perhaps you need to be that tinier bit firmer with students.

    Some of your problem may be the school you are in: one where the standards have been let to slip and poor behaviour is more difficult to manage.

    Generally, however, many teachers are struggling with the same issues - very poor behaviour in classes.
     
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  3. sarah_dann1

    sarah_dann1 Occasional commenter TES Behaviour peer advisor

    Sorry to hear thing are tough but your positivity comes across in asking for tips for a better September.

    Are there any opportunities to either pop in to some classes you teach when they are with a different teacher, or to fully observe some classes? It would be useful to get a realistic impression of how certain students behave in different classrooms/contexts/with other members of staff. You could also send some emails to get feedback on classes or individuals and ask for any techniques that are working. Simply disregard the ones who reply with "oh, I get on well with X" or "they're never a problem for me". Some people seem unable to resist these unhelpful replies! But others may have some useful ideas.

    Have you considered the following:
    - Your own manner - could you do anything to be more welcoming/positive/give more praise/more space for certain students
    - Their behaviour. What is it that they are doing? Rudeness? Laziness? Defiance? Get concrete examples and speak to parents.
    - Have you followed these things up with heads of year/department? Could anyone be giving you some support with these things?
    - Have you been too strict/too lenient/allowed certain things to slide? Are they acting out of frustration/boredom? Is the work appropriate? Could you mix up types of activities/seating plans/groupings?

    Of course it's annoying to pander to poor behaviour but trying to change things can only be good for everyone if they're not working.

    Ask for help. We all struggle with behaviour so don't be embarrassed to ask for support.

    Finally, think about the systems in the school. If they don't work, could you do anything to influence any change?
     
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  4. BelleDuJour

    BelleDuJour Star commenter

    IMO none of this works.
    Things have slid so far down the slippery slope the parents and kids are in charge now, and there's little we can do.
    Poor behaviour begins and ends at home.......................and we cannot 'train' the parents.
     
    Ezzie, geordiepetal and pepper5 like this.
  5. BelleDuJour

    BelleDuJour Star commenter

    THIS!
     
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  6. Greyfalcon1

    Greyfalcon1 New commenter

    I have to admit I am absolutely hating the behaviour at the moment. Apparently the 'good ones' are misbehaving in my lessons. Its almost impossible to get silence from classes and its just a case of survival for me as my classes are loud and rowdy- and complete very little work. I have tried every trick in the book but the behaviour in the classes is inconsistent. Its definitely time to 'get my coat'!
     
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  7. sarah_dann1

    sarah_dann1 Occasional commenter TES Behaviour peer advisor

    A real shame for the profession that so many teachers appear to be feeling that they're out of choices other than a new career. Best of luck @Greyfalcon1
     
  8. 50sman

    50sman Senior commenter

    Before you go - have a look at how they behave in other lessons. Talk to staff after those lessons and find out what they do.

    Its important you talk to staff abot behaviour after the lesson you have seen otherwise you get the old "They're no prblem in my lessons" which is often not the case
     
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  9. TheGeezer

    TheGeezer New commenter

    I have had a similar experience to Greyfalcon. I am still relatively new to teaching, and feel that a lot of my problems come from failing to establish routines initially. I think I am now have sufficient experience and, thanks to the work of Tom "Guru" Bennett and others as well as my fellow teachers, the requisite knowledge, to make a better fist of this with new classes in September. My fear is that having gained a reputation for not keeping good discipline I will still struggle at my present school. Because of this concern I gave notice of resignation back in April, but the school is having great difficulty recruiting a replacement (I'm a physics specialist: scarcity value!), so I'm considering reversing this decision and staying on.

    Does anyone else have experience of being able to go from poor to good behaviour management in the same school? Alternatively, is it best to start afresh in a new place?
     
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  10. minnie me

    minnie me Star commenter

    It’s easy to find out if students only misbehave in your lesson ? There must be a whole school rewards / sanctions policy and those falling into either / both camps will be on record surely ? Schools are usually awash with this kind of data these days ?
     
  11. helenjane44

    helenjane44 New commenter

    I agree with posters that have suggested you observe others teaching. You could ask to do an observation and explain that you want to improve your behaviour management.
    It could be quite simple things such as your body language, which is very important from the second the students enter the room. You can look at how other teachers use their bodies and expressions and also listen to their tone of voice and what attitude it portrays. Hope this helps.
     
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  12. cc2lwa

    cc2lwa New commenter

    GreyFalcon1 - there's lots of bad behaviour, it is a sign of the times, society etc. It makes you feel bad, but other teachers struggle too (just as much as you do).
    In my opinion its long established teachers or further up the pecking order who tend to get respect.
    Both teachers and pupils are quick to blame the teacher for the problem, but it is so subjective then it can't be measured if you know what I mean. Best thing is to be as thick skinned as possible and not care, but that's not always do-able - hope this helps a little.
     
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  13. Robfreeman

    Robfreeman Occasional commenter

    shadow the kids for a couple of lessons and see how they behave. you may pick up tips to improve or see how bad they are with others.
     
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