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BBC white middle class bias. Let's play "Spot the BAME" on their website

Discussion in 'Personal' started by frodo_magic, Jun 29, 2020 at 10:22 AM.

  1. frodo_magic

    frodo_magic New commenter


    Pretty shocking stuff from the BBC. I wonder how many of their photographers / reporters / editors are non-white middle class chaps from 'a good school'? I can't see any BAME, only very well presented white, presentable children / adults. Am I wrong, or is there a BAME somewhere in the background of one of their smaller photos on their education site? Does the BBC realise that non-whites are teachers / students, too?

    This reminds me of the "Spot the Ball" competitions that used to be everywhere a few decades back.
  2. MyOrchid

    MyOrchid Established commenter

    Perhaps all the BAME people are behind the camera....
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  3. FriarLawrence

    FriarLawrence Senior commenter

    There are about 30 people pictured in about 13 pictures, which is a tiny sample size. In a completely nationally representative sample, you'd expect 3 or 4 non-white people. While I accept that there aren't any on this particular snapshot on this particular day, that doesn't actually mean anything because of the tininess of the data, both in terms of timescale and sample size.

    Maybe keep an eye on the same page every day for a year. If the number of non-white faces doesn't approach 14% in that time, you might have a point.

    (it's also worth remembering that ethnic diversity clusters in cities in the UK. The average school outside of those outliers will, in reality, contain far fewer than 14% BAME students.)
  4. Rott Weiler

    Rott Weiler Star commenter Forum guide

    If you want to analyse whether there is a lack of BAME representation in the BBC's output then looking at what they broadcast on TV each day might be more representative than finding one obscure page on their website that must get a tiny amount of traffic.
  5. Kandahar

    Kandahar Star commenter

    Fear not - this is always made up for when opening the NASUWT monthly rag - complete with women's worm farm co-operative support group in Guatemala exclusives.
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  6. Aquamarina1234

    Aquamarina1234 Star commenter

    Are you wanting a quota, OP? Balanced, like. I wouldn't want Bangladeshis feeling they'd been lumped in with all the Asians. And could you check the Black representation is accurately distributed between Afro-caribbean and African? These things clearly matter to you.
  7. DrLinus

    DrLinus Lead commenter

    British teaching unions would seem to have been captured by social justice types.
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  8. harsh-but-fair

    harsh-but-fair Star commenter

    Only one man in all those photos. Shocking!
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  9. Kandahar

    Kandahar Star commenter

    Yet fairly representative of male/female balance in education. I'm more concerned that there's only one reference to the disabled.
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  10. DrLinus

    DrLinus Lead commenter

    Do you mean the background chap in the black top in this photograph?


    I think he is a white gentleman with a ruddy complexion
    The lady in the foreground would appear to be mixed race.
    Further down the page there is a black lady. but she is a volunteer tutor in French rather than a teacher in a proper subject.

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  11. frodo_magic

    frodo_magic New commenter

    Of course, it's a snapshot and perhaps over time things might be different. But I've noticed this before on the BBC website. You do get the occasional BAME popping up, but nearly always when it's a story involving a BAME, or BAME issues.

    What hit me when looking at the site today was that nearly all the photos looked very much like stock photos. You'd think that of the hundred or so humans in the photos, there'd be at least one who wasn't lily white!
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  12. Aquamarina1234

    Aquamarina1234 Star commenter

    Depends on the school. In my last one, nearly 1400 kids and 100s of staff, there was one, that's ONE, non-White teacher/TA/ beh supp, and he left when I did; and maybe five amongst the cleaning and catering staff. Certainly no more than 50 BAME students. We had to manipulate the photographs for the prospectus, making sure there were 2 BAME kids in every shot. Gave a totally false impression of the school but would have not attracted the interest of Frodo.
  13. DrLinus

    DrLinus Lead commenter

    From interest what impression was your school pushing and why?
  14. Kandahar

    Kandahar Star commenter

    That's because they are - for reasons of data-protection, etc
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  15. MyOrchid

    MyOrchid Established commenter

    "Spot the BAME" isn't very catchy.

    Can I suggest "The B(L)AME Game?
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  16. hhhh

    hhhh Lead commenter

    Be more concerned that they tend to be discriminated against far more. Relatively few white people these days would refuse to date someone of a different skin colour, yet many wouldn't date someone with certain disabilities. Getting a job/promotion tends to be far harder. People with disabilities don't face only discrimination but might also have to cope with being physically in pain/undergoing multiple treatments/suffering all the time. It would be illegal to have a late abortion because you didn't like the sex/colour you were expecting your child to be, yet you can have one for relatively minor disabilities.
    An alternative view is questioning whether we really should be saying 'count the number of people who are...'? Some would say we should move past that and it's a developed form of tokenism, especially as many of us who are 'mixed race/dual heritage' might not LOOK a certain way-and that it doesn't matter anyway, and as MLK said, judge on the character not the colour. We wouldn't make sure that we had a certain number of people with red hair in a photo, and if we're going to move on, perhaps we need to stop counting and labelling.
  17. gainly

    gainly Star commenter

    I've always considered French a "proper subject", even though I teach maths and science. Is French no longer regarded as a proper subject?
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  18. Kandahar

    Kandahar Star commenter

    It is, when taught by a qualified teacher.
  19. Stiltskin

    Stiltskin Star commenter

    This image goes alongside the lead story at the moment - perhaps the BBC read this thread?

    From the same set of images you can see the person more clearly, which does highlight the problem with trying to identify who is BAME from a photo.

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  20. nomad

    nomad Star commenter

    Seemed obvious to me in the first photo.

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