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Discussion in 'Teaching overseas' started by Bythesea123, Nov 30, 2018.
I think it's more a reflection of the way the international school market has grown here and elsewhere in Southeast Asia. For-profit schools can provide a big return, and with so much being taken out for the owners, it leaves very little for teachers, especially if the school has lower tuition fees. To be fair, I think you're right that some of them can still be nice places to work; I was at one when I first moved to Bangkok and was generally happy.
Although more of the lowest-paying schools are indeed American, there are quite a few British ones (with more than 200 students) as well: the not-so-old-fashioned school near Phrom Phong, the chocolate-toffee-bar-in-a-field school on Ramkhamhaeng Road, the legal document school near the airport, the sickle moon school near Silom, and the global settlers school near Wongwian Yai. Around five to ten others verge on 100K at the top of their scales. The chains definitely don't fall into this category, though a small number do fall below 100K for new hires with little to no experience.
Bonus points to anyone who can work out all of the schools named above!
Where are you planning to go after the two years? Another school in Bangkok or a new country?
Thanks for taking the time to get back to me - Unfortunately it appears that I am also unable to start a private conversation so I ill have to keep searching.
Best of luck
Bythesea out of interest were you interviewed before or after the closing date of the advert? I only ask because I applied there a month ago but I've just realised the expiry date is only today.
I haven't yet worked out all your clues but I do love a good cryptic game! I got the Phrom Phong one and the Sickle Moon. But that is more because I know the two areas.
I am really not sure yet. I do love Bangkok and it is home for me at the moment. I am looking towards leadership though. It is just hard to break into a first SLT position, particularly in a competitive city like Bangkok, so I might need to move away. If the right position comes along, I will move this year, and my current school has made an offer and will honour it until March, giving me lots of time to look.
How about yourself? A Bangkok lifer?
For now I definitely have no plans to relocate, as I work at one of the big three, and my wife is Thai. We wouldn't want to move until we're closer to paying off our house.
You're definitely right that leadership positions--particularly those in the decent schools--are hard to find here. People tend to stay unless they move on to a higher position, and even then many of the schools will promote from within to replace them.
I love BKK with the family and our dog. We live in a house, which is great because it has a garden. It doesn't have a pool but the kids have plenty of friends that live in condos with pools. The pollution isn't great but the people are nice and the food is excellent. We like to ride our bikes and the city is great for exploring on bicycle. I'm getting support to go to middle management, which is really exciting.
Sorry it’s taken me so long to respond. I was contacted the day after I applied for an interview on skype and offered job. I also have to turn up to a day in the UK in Jan to give docs and things. Did you hear anything back?
Nope nothing. I’m not entirely surprised to be honest. I accept where I need to be looking at the moment. I will always aim higher too but with no expectations at this stage of hitting the target.
I wish you the very very best of luck though......It will be an amazing opportunity I’m sure. And if you ever get promoted to principal remember me
BytheSea - I've recently left BKK and used to work at the 'other' campus where my kids both went to school.
Feel free to start a conversation if you'd like any more info about our experience (overwhelmingly positive!)
Hi thank you for this - I’d love to pick your brains but I can’t yet start PMs- is it possible for you to message me first?
Thanks for messaging me- I have messaged you back as I’d love to hear a bit more about the school!
Hi we’re in the process of researching BKK as a first overseas post for my partner. I would love to find out about how your dog relocated as we want to be able to bring her with us - I’ve noticed that there are quite a few rentals that allow pets. Did you find it easy to find a house?
Reputable schools will all find you a house. I think that one of the only things to be wary of are the Soi dogs which really proliferate in some areas. Some of these also have rabies.
Many thanks for your reply we are aware of the issues with rabies and will investigate further with the school .
It was difficult to find a house. The reputable agencies were more happy to find condos of which there are a plethora. It takes a lot of time to find a house. For us 3 weeks. We did it on our own in the end.
Our dog relocated fine but we came from a close by country. She’s very happy. We have no problems with our local strays and living in a leafy neighbourhood which is a pleasure to walk our dog around and live in.
It’s nice to look out the window and see trees, hear birds and frogs. We don’t feel like we’re in a city.
I am considering BK in the future if things get harder for foreigners in China, but one thing I have wondered is how much help schools generally give you in terms of housing. For instance, my apartment here in China costs £200 each a month for a 3bed, utilities included (I share with the bf). I've heard the salaries in BK aren't as good as in China . . . but I wouldn't really know!
We certainly earned more in Shanghai than we do now in Bangkok, however, everything is relative. Here we each take home well over 150'000 Baht a month and can buy a meal and drink for under 100 Baht from the street vendors. In Shanghai the Blue Frog was a (massive) tad more expensive as were the supermarkets which stocked the goods that we wanted. We pay nothing for housing as it is included in our package and the choice is ours, condo with a pool and gym in town or house with 4 en suite bathrooms a little further out.
Be warned, the pollution in Bangkok at the minute is ridiculous. Playgroups are being cancelled and my partner feels very trapped and isolated at the minute not being able to take the little one out. Walking along the roads is a slog as the pavements are awful.
We're very happy to be leaving soon even though my wage is 150k a month. I'd settle for the same or less elsewhere if it meant breathable air and a nice walk to the park
Although the pollution in Bangkok is quite high at the moment, it is nowhere near levels of many big cities in China.