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Discussion in 'Headteachers' started by Marshall, Sep 6, 2017.

  1. GLsghost

    GLsghost Star commenter

    If specific support away from prying eyes would be useful, you can ask TES_Rosaline to set you up an invisible forum, into which are invited only those posters you wish to support you.

    We have done it before for very vulnerable posters with sensitive problems and last did it to organise Theo's Leaving Do so she did not know what we were up to!
     
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  2. GLsghost

    GLsghost Star commenter

    Yes, though I would expect to see the particular universal standard made specific with the details of how they believe the standard is not being met.
     
  3. digoryvenn

    digoryvenn Lead commenter

    Thank you.
    Yes, I will ask Rosaline to set up an invisible forum.

    Sorry, I edited my earlier post.
    I have just read the guidance on the use of headteacher standards and I interpreted it as the standards couldn't be used in that way. Thank you for the correction.
     
  4. digoryvenn

    digoryvenn Lead commenter

    @TES_Rosaline GL has suggested that I ask you to set up an invisible forum please so I can recieve support from some posters on here.

    I am in a difficult position a d would be grateful for the support from the posters.
    Thank you.
     
  5. GLsghost

    GLsghost Star commenter

    Well it would not stand up as an allegation on its own - it's non-specific. However, if they identified a specific issue and linked it to the standards, that would in my view be different.

    It's donkey's years since I looked at the HT standards but, by way of an e.g., if the standards made reference to -say- financial competence, I might expect the specific details of the allegation to relate to examples of that.
     
  6. digoryvenn

    digoryvenn Lead commenter

    Yes, I see. That is what seems to have happened.
     
  7. GLsghost

    GLsghost Star commenter

    There must be sufficient detail in an allegation for you to be able to respond to it. If just the HT standards (or a standard) forms an allegation, you could not possibly know to what it specifically relates and have a fair chance of responding. Unfair procedure.
     
  8. digoryvenn

    digoryvenn Lead commenter

    I don't know the exact specifics yet. I am going to ask for them. I think I should be sent all documentation including witness statements. I need to ask for those.

    It is also unfair because I am not allowed access to school documents to prepare my defence so I need to sort that out.

    I believe the whole procedure, right from the beginning in March, has been unfair and disproportionate. I wish I could prove it!
     
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  9. Jesmond12

    Jesmond12 Star commenter

    Digoryvenn, I am happy to join if you wish me too.
     
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  10. digoryvenn

    digoryvenn Lead commenter

    Thank you Jesmond.
    Yes please.
     
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  11. nomad

    nomad Star commenter

    Me too.

    @digoryvenn download and read the following:
    http://www.acas.org.uk/media/pdf/f/...-on-disciplinary-and-grievance-procedures.pdf

    Your employer doesn’t have to follow the Acas code. However, if they don’t and you win an employment tribunal against them, you could get a larger payout.

    There’s more guidance about how employers should run disciplinaries in the Acas guide (link below).

    http://www.acas.org.uk/media/pdf/9/g/Discipline-and-grievances-Acas-guide.pdf

    You say that you don't know the exact specifics yet. You should. Your employer’s disciplinary procedure should include specific steps, the first of which is a letter setting out the issue.

    The manner in which a procedure should be carried out can be found in: http://www.acas.org.uk/media/pdf/o/5/Conducting-workplace-investigations.pdf
     
    Last edited: Sep 8, 2017
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  12. digoryvenn

    digoryvenn Lead commenter

    Thank you Nomad.
    Thank you for the links.

    I have received a letter but allegations are put in general terms except for one.
     
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  13. Sundaytrekker

    Sundaytrekker Star commenter

    I'm an ex head. I'll join in if you want.

    I thought when the new headteacher standards came out there was specific reference to them being standards to aspire to but could not be held to account for performance management purposes. That would be different to malpractice, of course.
     
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  14. digoryvenn

    digoryvenn Lead commenter

    Thank you Sundaytrekker.
     
  15. Marshall

    Marshall Star commenter

    Me too if you need help. Really shocked and angry about how you have been treated.x
     
  16. GLsghost

    GLsghost Star commenter

    Beware of them undergoing a 'fishing' exercise to see what you respond with. You cannot respond to vague allegations without specifics.

    Be wary too of doing their job for them. It is for them to provide specific allegations (if, indeed, they have any), not for you to go looking for them.

    You should not be denied access to documents you need to build a defence. You can make a list for your union and insist they are disclosed to you. Again, however, be wary of anticipating and responding to allegations that have not been articulated.

    It is for the school to carry out a 'reasonable investigation' and reach a decision based on that. That means at every stage of the process, including framing allegations and sending you home on not-suspension-but-paid-leave in the first place.

    Happy to support if you think I have anything helpful to contribute. Am currently in hospital long-term though so access to resources is limited.
     
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  17. install

    install Star commenter

    I am not a headteacher but good to hear you have Union support. Sounds like you have troublesome governors maybe....
     
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  18. caterpillartobutterfly

    caterpillartobutterfly Star commenter

    This could win any 'understatement of the century' award! :rolleyes:

    I can't help in any way and have no clue at all. But I hope you make it out of there with your good name intact and go on to find happiness and success elsewhere.
     
  19. install

    install Star commenter

    Agree with this post 100 percent.....:):):) the Union will be the key..:)
     
    Last edited: Sep 9, 2017
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  20. digoryvenn

    digoryvenn Lead commenter

    Thank you Marshall. Yes please.
    Thanks Caterpillar.
    Thank you everyone.
    I am so sorry GL to hear you are in hospital. I hope things will work out for you. I appreciate any advice you can give.
    The school haven't carried out a resonable investigation and they have failed to follow all polices and procedures. I need to prove this.
    How do you prove a conspiracy and a witch hunt because this is what it is?
     
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