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ATM or MA?

Discussion in 'Mathematics' started by elrond, Feb 9, 2012.

  1. I am considering joining a professional association. I see that the main two are ATM and MA. I was wondering if anyone had any recommendations as to which to join (I'm not planning on joining both). I work in an 11-16 comp, no teaching involvement with A level or above, but with a generally weaker than average intake some overlap with levels of work normally taught at primary. Any advice gratefully received?
     
  2. I am considering joining a professional association. I see that the main two are ATM and MA. I was wondering if anyone had any recommendations as to which to join (I'm not planning on joining both). I work in an 11-16 comp, no teaching involvement with A level or above, but with a generally weaker than average intake some overlap with levels of work normally taught at primary. Any advice gratefully received?
     
  3. Nazard

    Nazard New commenter

    Hi elrond. There have been some previous threads about this. I think that this thread might be worth a look.
     
  4. adamcreen

    adamcreen Occasional commenter

    From 1991 to 2011 I was a personal member of both. I made a decision last year to leave the MA as it was not giving me the kind of ideas and impetus I wanted. The ATM is embracing technology with vast amounts of extra material on their website to supplement the journals. That's why I'm still with them.
     
  5. DM

    DM New commenter

    Hmm the ATM's "vast amount of extra material" is an online journal that has replaced some copies of the print version to save money (both organisations are tightening their belts). The MA is about to launch a set of online classroom resources for members.
     
  6. Tandy

    Tandy New commenter

    They are both worthy are helpful organisations. A complete aside... but when will they finally get their act together and become one single organisation? Surely it's time that the petty infighting stopped.
     
  7. Andrew Jeffrey

    Andrew Jeffrey New commenter

    Well said sir - excellent post!
     
  8. Tandy

    Tandy New commenter

    Couple of points. Firstly, would have a unified association mean that any of the diversity would have to be lost? Secondly, is remaining fragmented for the benefit of maths teachers (vast majority of whom have no engagement with subject associations) or the benefit of a few peoples' egos? Thirdly, and perhaps the most practical consideration, are the ATM and MA financially viable and can they sustain?
     
  9. DM

    DM New commenter

    Possibly because it can already be difficult to form a view that acknowledges the various opinions of all contributors from a circulation of about 30 active members. This task would become significantly more challenging if upwards of 50 people were invited to participate.
    Pass.
    They are both still viable at the moment. The separate conferences are only just breaking even though so further collaboration could be the way to go.
     
  10. Nazard

    Nazard New commenter

    Some interesting points, Tandy. Your response made me realise that as my main engagement with both associations is via reading the journals and the publications, this was what I was thinking about when I posted.
    I think there would just be less going on if there were only a single association. At the moment I receive 6 issues of MT per year and 4 (I think) issues of MiS. Would a combined association provide 10 issues per year? I can't see that happening.
    There would be fewer interesting things coing on, fewer publications and fewer articles. One key thing is that there would be less money around. I currently pay for membership of both associations. The membership price of a combine group couldn't possibly be much more that the membership of a single association (because people would cancel), so there would need to be a convincing expectation that more new people would join a unified group than currently subscribe to both. This is clearly possible, but not a given.
    I am not heavily involved with the associations so I am unaware of any ego issues. It would be a real shame if this were a major problem, though. I am still to be convinced that government and other groups take less notice because there are <u>two</u> associations rather than one.
    I don't know the answer to this. One of the things I hadn't considered is the Conference. I am afraid that I haven't ever been to any of them, and probably won't for the forseeable future either. [This is a separate issue, but for me, spending 3 or 4 days of the Easter holiday at a conference that will take me a good while to travel to (Swansea? - sorry - I am sure it is very nice there, but if you choose somewhere on the edge of the country it will leave a larger journey for many) is not ideal. I don't want to spend that amount of time away from my kids.]
    A joint conference seems rather sensible (although, as a non-attender I can't really comment on this), because it would allow more sessions, opportunity for people to choose from a wider set of options, for advertisers to meet everyone in one go but still to allow for considerable diversity.
     
  11. Andrew Jeffrey

    Andrew Jeffrey New commenter

    I feel that I can comment on this, having been to MA, ATM, and joint conferences. Again it is just one opinion but the joint conferences offer so much more to delegates. There was a time apparently, before I started going, when it was easy to 'spot' an ATM versus an MA session, but these days this is not the case.
    I too don't want to spend this amount of time away from my kids so am frequently forced to choose: I will always choose the one nearest Brighton - this is a reason why I am so in favour of joint conferences. The exception was last Easter when rather than spend too much time away, I did 3 days at the MA in Loughborough, but as I was leading a session at the ATM on Cuisenaire, rather than stay away I drove 420 miles there and back in a day - a ridiculous thing to do but I felt compelled to do it because of the timing of both conferences.
    However, I come away from both ATM and MA conferences refreshed, full of good ideas and excited about what I have learnt, and about finding opportunities to develop and share these ideas with others, so I would heartily recommend either conference to anyone. This is especially true now that both conferences have a primary day, to encourage primary non-specialist teachers to gain new ideas, resources and insights to take back to share with their schools.
    Definitely my favourite CPD event of the year, to be honest.
     
  12. Tandy

    Tandy New commenter

    I agree, it is excellent PD. To be clear, I'm fully supportive of the associations and wish them well... I just think it would be better to have a single body. For anyone going to the MA conference at Keele, I'm running a workshop, so come and say hi :)
     
  13. Andrew Jeffrey

    Andrew Jeffrey New commenter

    Me too - what's yours on?
     
  14. Tandy

    Tandy New commenter

    I'll be running two workshops on using touch technology in the maths classroom. So will be turning up with a van load of iPads... should be fun!

    What are you doing this year?
     
  15. I'll be at Keele for the MA Conference this year, doing a session on the latest NRICH materials. I was at ATM last year; this thread makes me wonder what differences I will notice between the two!
     
  16. Andrew Jeffrey

    Andrew Jeffrey New commenter

    Excellent, see you both at Keele. I will be doing a session on reducing the pain of learning table (but still insisting that they are learnt) and on a new primary publication that is currently in production...
     
  17. Wow! I hadn't expected to open up such a discussion. Thanks to everyone who replied! I think I will try the ATM, they run a local (to me) meeting which some colleagues in other schools take part in, so I will try them out.

    Thanks to everyone for your replies, very interesting reading.
     

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