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Assistant SENCo salary guide

Discussion in 'Special educational needs' started by PSB, Apr 27, 2018.

  1. PSB

    PSB New commenter

    i am about to face my annual review, and my role has changed substantially over the years I have been employed to the point where I am now effectively an assistant SENCo.
    Work is across an academy group, including feeder primaries, and an 11-18 secondary.
    I am HLTA rather than QTS, but not paid as such... I want to be recognised for the work I do alongside the SENCo, and would appreciate any guidance in terms of appropriate pay grade/amount.
    Thank you!
     
  2. minnie me

    minnie me Star commenter

    I understand that you would want to be paid commensurate with your responsibilities BUT I would have a real issue with someone NOT modelling successfully the practice they advocate / promote / demand routinely in the classroom whilst expecting others to deliver effectively and made ‘accountable’ Assuming that you are not in a position to do this because of lack of QTS ? Sorry if this is not helpful. Am sure you have integrity /skills by the bucket load but I am sure you can see my point ?
     
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  3. PSB

    PSB New commenter

    Well wow. You don’t know me and yet sssume that I don’t have the skills due to a lack of QTS.
    I thought fellow professionals had more respect than that.
     
  4. minnie me

    minnie me Star commenter

    I think you are deliberately missing the point ? Does your post / position replicate the conditions in which teachers find themselves where they are accountable for accommodating ( and ensuring progress ) with classes of students exhibiting a range of needs in their specialism/ subject ?
     
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  5. PSB

    PSB New commenter

    Deliberately? No.
    You are forming a judgement about me without knowing me, my experience, my background and my age.

    I understand that teaching has become a profession where practitioners are put under the spotlight and their practices held to account. You may have had a bad experience yourself, and if this is the case I feel for you.

    However as I stated, I work WITH a fully qualified SENCo. I would not dream of dictating to another member of staff. I fully respect the knowledge and training that goes in to becoming a teacher - I have been married to one for 20 years.

    Luckily the schools in which I work are not exam factories; they care holistically for each individual child.

    So, no your comment was not helpful; it was judgemental. I should not have to give you my life story when I asked for a simple piece of guidance.
     
  6. minnie me

    minnie me Star commenter

    I ‘ ll take that as a no then ;). No not a bad experience for me . Supporting students as Head of Curriculum Support was a challenge and a privilege BUT I am certainly confident that respect from the staff came as a result as my doing the/ their job too ! I think ‘street cred ‘important ?

    I hope other colleagues can help you with the advice you want to hear. Good Luck
     
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  7. PSB

    PSB New commenter

    Respect is earned in many ways; QTS does not guarantee a good practitioner... in the 5 years I have had this role I have given respect and received it, because yes I can model and deliver across a variety of subjects...
    However I do not profess, as I believe no teacher should, to be perfect, and all of us have to continue to develop and learn because no two children are the same, and no two cohorts are comparable.
     
  8. minnie me

    minnie me Star commenter

    Yes I totally agree that having a qualification as a teacher does not lead to positive outcomes in the classroom. I have always thought that teaching in a leafy suburb and in an inner city are rarely comparable - not a level playing field and yet ..... I don’t know the specifics of your AS post - you did not detail ? I was responding to a scenario where someone may be telling / judging me ( for example ) how best to ‘ teach ‘when they themselves were office bound / intervention driven / in a supporting role / shuffling paper / running a meeting ...
     
  9. Wotton

    Wotton Lead commenter

    When you say you are an HLTA but not paid as such do you mean you are not paid as an HLTA ? You need to look at your schools pay policy as schools can pay what they want now. Does the school recognise you as an Assistant SENCo?Make a list of what you do how this relates to the senco standards as this may give you a bargaining tool. I do know many sencos who are only paid on main scale/ups as they were as a teacher, many do not get a TLR or SEN allowance.
    When I worked as a TA later in my career I was expected to many things which other TAs were paid more for. It's a lottery these days.
     
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  10. PSB

    PSB New commenter

    Agree totally that it’s a lottery that’s why I was hoping for some guidance as my role has changed substantially since I took up the post originally... in a good way.
    No I am not paid as HLTA at present... and with very few HLTAs being recruited locally it is increasingly difficult to judge the pay scale offered. Hence HLTA with responsibilities as assistant SENCo is what I was looking for a salary guide for.
     
  11. PSB

    PSB New commenter

    There is of course an element of meetings and office work involved in SENCo roles, but I am also hands on - personally I don’t think you can get to know the kids, staff or agencies if you don’t get involved in the nitty gritty... and yes there are a variety of factors that impact support, not least the teaching style and adaptability of staff, which cannot be appreciated unless you get “out there” and practice yourself.

    Your intentions may have been good, but if you wanted clarification you could perhaps have asked rather than just jumping to a conclusion?
     
  12. minnie me

    minnie me Star commenter

    I think that so often in threads colleagues give minimum info ( and there is good reason for that in many cases ) but I am sure that you can understand my response and rationale. I don’t seek approbation by the by - am sure that is obvious by this and my other posts - ha !
    Good weekend.
     
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  13. PSB

    PSB New commenter

    Yes there is very good reason in such incestuous employment. No I don’t understand your response, you sound like a person scorned rather than a supportive colleague.
    Don’t worry you have no approbation from me; you are rude and discourteous but happy with yourself it seems.
     
  14. Pomza

    Pomza Star commenter

    Have you been awared HLTA status or contractually appointed a HLTA? If so, you should be paid on the scale your school offers HLTA.

    If not, you should be paid on whatever scale your school pays reguular classroom TAs on.
     
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  15. Pomza

    Pomza Star commenter

    Very much so.
     
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  16. PSB

    PSB New commenter

    Ok it isn’t as simple as this; I am HLTA qualified, but the post I am employed in as originally TA level. I have grown in responsibility over the 5 years of my role, and am now classed as the Assistant SENCo... in all but official recognition on my paperwork.

    Maybe I’m naïve but what I am asking is simply what could a HLTA employés as Assistant SENCo anticipate as a salary.

    I’m asking so I can go into my review with a realistic negotiation point.

    Thank you
     
  17. Sundaytrekker

    Sundaytrekker Star commenter

    A Senco must be a qualified teacher, therefore it follows so must an assistant Senco. However, I know of secondary schools who employ support staff, more correctly, as Assistant to the Senco. Some of these I know are at HLTA rates which they well deserve for the breadth of their role which even includes writing funding bids. So in our LA that’s called Scale F. Much depends on the breadth of your responsibilities but that is a guide. I also feel that the Senco shouldn’t be ducking out of their responsibilities by passing too much over, that’s why the Code of Practice insists on qualified teacher with additional Senco qualifications.

    Interestingly, you say ‘in all but the official recognition on my paperwork’ so it sounds as though they are aware of this.
     
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  18. PSB

    PSB New commenter

    Thank you; could you please elaborate what your area scale F equates to in £ so I can look at it as a guide with our scales?

    I am lucky to have worked with 2 fabulous SENCo’s and neither have ducked their responsibility, but both have taught me a tremendous amount.
     
  19. Wotton

    Wotton Lead commenter

    In my LA HLTAs are paid at G grade but only if you are employed as an HLTA as on your contract.. When I enquired how we could move from one grade to another I was told you could not. So once you reached the top of your grade you stayed there unless you change schools and applied for a job at a higher grade. So even if your job now had more responsibilities you were stuck, this was one reason I left. Also annoyed me that we had pm but it had no effect on changing our pay.I often look on LA job sites and use that as an idea of pay, especially if you can find one which has a similar job role.
     
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  20. Wotton

    Wotton Lead commenter

    G grade (pts 19-27) £19,446 – £24,657 this is full time which you can't achieve working in a school so it is always pro rata depending on hours.
    F grade (pts 17-22) £18,672 – £21,074 pa pro rata
    D grade (pts 11-17) £17,007 - £18,672 pa pro rata (usual rate for classroom TA)
     
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