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Artist or vandal?

Discussion in 'Personal' started by nomad, Dec 9, 2019.

  1. nomad

    nomad Star commenter

    An interesting example of 'vandalism'.

    Banksy spray paints a couple of reindeer onto a wall. He is an "artist".

    Person X adds red noses to the reindeer. He/she is a "vandal".


    Image caption. The Banksy artwork shows Ryan on a bench being "pulled" by two reindeer

    Image caption. A vandal sprayed the artwork with red noses on Monday evening

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  2. install

    install Star commenter

    There is a rumour that Banksy gets permission. Whereas the vandal I assume didn't - unless Banksy is both the artist and the vandal.

    I kind of like the finished product.
  3. sbkrobson

    sbkrobson Star commenter

    Yes, it looks better-a nice bit of well placed red on lots of black and white.

    While I'm here-did anyone read about the complaints against the shop Iceland for selling reindeer for Christmas? You've got to hate the double standard, because nobody that I've heard of has yet complained about Lidl donkey.
  4. Kandahar

    Kandahar Lead commenter

    Banksy is establishment ....the Status Quo of illustration....I daren't call it art.
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  5. artboyusa

    artboyusa Star commenter

    Person X isn't a vandal. Person X is a critic.
    And Banksy's art is about as edgy as a tame llama at the petting zoo.
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  6. neddyfonk

    neddyfonk Lead commenter

    I objected years ago to anyone valuing any art based solely on who did it. A paper plate signed by Picasso is worth virtually nothing as far as I am concerned. Nor am I impressed by anything very old with painting that is mediocre. I would not give wall/floorspace in my home for the rubbish created by Tracy Emin ( not sure of the spelling). Banksy, on the other hand can paint my side wall any time he/she likes and any competent artist is welcome to enhance it.
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  7. Jamvic

    Jamvic Star commenter

    I’m a total ignoramus when it comes to art viewed as items being worth vast amounts of money. I just don’t get it. Why is one thing randomly deemed to be worth millions and another, equally wonderful, piece of art considered worthless?

    I enjoy and stand in awe of certain pieces of art. Some has made me experience deep emotions or consider and question things I’d never thought of before or perhaps made me look at certain things and ideas in a totally different way. However, I’ve seen no single object in my entire life that I think is worth the many millions some are willing spend on them.

    I’m a philistine, I know it. The global art industry and its concomitant economic infrastructures wouldn’t exist if everyone thought like me. Also, what would the mega-rich invest their billions in? There’s only so much property and gold one can buy.

    A painting/sculpture/messy bed/ half a cow being worth vast sums reminds me of currency. Both works of art and £20 notes are only worth anything at all if everyone agrees to continue to believe that they are.
  8. Jamvic

    Jamvic Star commenter

    On a lighter note, how long before someone photoshops the Rees-Mogg reclining on the benches photo into that Banksy picture and posts it on Twitter. It’s an inevitability.


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  9. anotherauntsally

    anotherauntsally Lead commenter

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  10. peakster

    peakster Star commenter

  11. coffeekid

    coffeekid Star commenter

    I bet Babs posts on TES.

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  12. coffeekid

    coffeekid Star commenter

    I feel the same way. I have this quote saved to my laptop screensaver :
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  13. Jamvic

    Jamvic Star commenter

    :D Don’t hold back Barbara, tell us what you really think.
  14. magic surf bus

    magic surf bus Star commenter

    When I was 15 my mates and I recreated Carl Andre's Equivalent VIII with builder's bricks outside the back of the school art rooms one lunchtime because we were bored:


    The Head of Art burst out of the fire exit door and threatened us with all manner of dire consequences if we didn't clear them up fast.

    I lost all interest in the opinions of Art critics after that. :)
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  15. magic surf bus

    magic surf bus Star commenter

    The difficulty would be surrounding Rees-Mogg with all his worldy possessions in bin bags. There simply wouldn't be enough bin bags.
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  16. Kandahar

    Kandahar Lead commenter

    The Tate leaves me cold.

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