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Arguing with the adamant ... is it worth it?

Discussion in 'Personal' started by circuskevin, Jan 17, 2020.

  1. circuskevin

    circuskevin Established commenter

    Have you ever changed someone's mind on the other side of the fence on whatever issue?

    There seem to be some very long running arguments
     
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  2. sodalime

    sodalime Lead commenter

    I'm more of a lover than a fighter, so tend not to argue too much. I do love reading a good, informative debate though, and learning from the various angles that a topic can be viewed and discussed.
     
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  3. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter

    Yes, many with regard to climate change.

    Mostly around making lifestyle changes.

    Not very often with referees though.
     
  4. colacao17

    colacao17 Occasional commenter

    No point in wasting energy arguing with those who are not open to views other than their own.
    How many posts before unicycles get a mention?
    Pick your battles and only fight the winnable ones.



     
  5. Jamvic

    Jamvic Star commenter

    Wouldn’t dream of arguing with him. He’s lovely. 65 now :eek: where did the time go?

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  6. coffeekid

    coffeekid Star commenter

    People tend to "double down" when others argue with them over their beliefs. Debate, especially aggressive debate, entrenches them even further. Its actually better to ask questions. For example, deprogramming someone out of a cult tends to be a lot less in your face than it used to be, and is a lot more effective. Slightly off on a tangent there, but hey.
     
  7. diddydave

    diddydave Established commenter

    I do recall one student in my year group telling me that he couldn't understand how it was that when he was sent to me for various infractions he would arrive 'knowing' he was in the right but half an hour later would leave ready to apologise and knowing he'd been wrong.
     
  8. CheeseMongler

    CheeseMongler Lead commenter

    Every argument will change someone's mind. It will make them think from another's viewpoint. They may not change their stance on an issue but it has changed their mind. It has made them reflect on how the issue impacts on their own beliefs and values. We're never going to change others beliefs and values but we can change our minds about how they apply to an issue through arguing.
     
  9. coffeekid

    coffeekid Star commenter

    Literally changed my neighbour's view on Scottish Independence over the garden fence through chats (over the garden fence)
     
  10. Mangleworzle

    Mangleworzle Star commenter

    Depends how drunk you are.

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  11. BertieBassett2

    BertieBassett2 Star commenter

    He was in the year above me at Hornsey College of Art (which was part of Middlesex Poly - as was. I had one of those T Shirts with 'TooThickForUniversity' on - yes, cringeworthy, I know!)
    Anyway, I remember seeing him perform before he was famous. Just saying!
    Also, if you're still with me, I was in the same Halls as Chris Rea's younger brother.
     
  12. colpee

    colpee Star commenter

    Do you mean on TES? That's often just the squabbling crew needling each other; quite a few threads go like that. I'm not sure changing anyone's mind is usually the goal.:rolleyes:
     
  13. 50sman

    50sman Lead commenter

    Anyone else remember Adam Adament (played by a very young Gerald Harper)
     
  14. lunarita

    lunarita Senior commenter

    To paraphrase A J Muste.
    Changing their ideas is not why I do this. I do this so their ideas don't change me.
     
  15. BertieBassett2

    BertieBassett2 Star commenter

    I've now got the theme tune in my head! I can see him swishing about with his black cloak as the opening credits came up!
     
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  16. monicabilongame

    monicabilongame Star commenter

  17. Duke of York

    Duke of York Star commenter

    There is usually an opportunity in an argument that is going nowhere, to introduce thread drift, which may turn out to be educational, amusing or otherwise entertaining.
     
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  18. nomad

    nomad Star commenter

    I do.

    Wasn't allowed to watch it, though. My father described it as "bloody rubbish".

    And it was, too.

     
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  19. ajrowing

    ajrowing Established commenter

    Is that what's happened to the good news about the EU thread, and why it doesn't seem to have contained any good news for months?
     
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  20. LondonCanary

    LondonCanary Star commenter

    People are much more reluctant to change their mind once they have wriiten down their opinion and shared it,.
     
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