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Are you ready to be shocked? Ready to be awed?

Discussion in 'Personal' started by modelmaker, Jul 10, 2020.

  1. modelmaker

    modelmaker Senior commenter


    "For some weeks the British government has been planning a “shock and awe” campaign to warn British businesses that they have less than six months to prepare for Brexit; but the EU has beaten them to it.

    As the latest round of talks on the future relationship finished in London yesterday, with Barnier tweeting there were still “significant divergences”, the EU released updated sectoral guidance to businesses on both sides of the Channel.

    The document is an ominous and grim portent of the new reality for many sectors and the “far reaching” changes that await us next year. It puts the blame for the coming shock squarely on the British government.

    “Negotiations so far have shown little progress” the EU says and adds that:

    “The choices made by the United Kingdom’s government on the future relationship and on not extending the transition period mean that these inevitable disruptions will occur as of 1 January 2021 and risk compounding the pressure that businesses are already under due to the COVID-19 outbreak.”

    The 35-page document goes on to explain that “these broad and far-reaching changes, will arise under any scenario [emphasis in the original], regardless of the outcome of negotiations between the European Union and the United Kingdom.”"

    The article lists the key things that will change as a consequence of exiting the EU. Students of the so-called "Project Fear campaign" will recognise the things we were warned about becoming the realities outlined in this document. https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/inf...ommunication_from_commission_to_inst_en_0.pdf rather than what the nation was told would happen by by the Leave campaign.

    Thankfully we now have have our precious blue passports, so it was worth it all.
  2. lunarita

    lunarita Senior commenter

    Unfortunately, the more the EU in its intelligent, informed, sensible approach to this shows up the utter lack of preparation and comptence of the UK govt, the more hardened the UK govt and its supporters will become in their resentment of the UK.

    It's all so inevitable and yet it was so avoidable.
  3. colpee

    colpee Star commenter

  4. install

    install Star commenter

    The EU are in a state of panic imho. They will want our fishing waters, they won’t want anyone else leaving, they will be asking those in the EU to pay more, and they won’t the UK succeed in my view.
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  5. peakster

    peakster Star commenter

    Johnson barged into a meeting between that dolt Frost and Barnier the other day demanding a deal be sorted in the next few weeks.

    They are beginning to panic.
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  6. EmanuelShadrack

    EmanuelShadrack Star commenter

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  7. sbkrobson

    sbkrobson Star commenter

    What a complete shambles.
    What an embarrassment.

    While I'm here, what's going on? Four posts in, and no leftie haters striding in yet. Where are they?
    Hmmm. Could it be that they have finally spotted that describing the Brexit mess cannot be perceived as a matter of hateful leftist tendencies, rather as a matter of...it being a mess.
  8. modelmaker

    modelmaker Senior commenter

    That's not the same story, @colpee. That one is about a government minister telling her colleagues it's going to be utter chaos on 1st January because incompetence has left us unprepared.

    This story is the EU explaining to all member states and the UK, how trade with the UK will be changing in the absence of a trade deal. Our government has been planning a media campaign which is costing £4.5m to say something similar, but with added spin. https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-government-preparing-shock-and-awe-brexit-media-campaign/

    The difference essentially is that the EU are setting out the consequences of a no deal Brexit clearly so no member state is under any illusion about how future trade with the UK will affect them, the UK government's version will be warning us for the first time that there will be consequences with Brexit after all, and telling us what can be done to minimise the pain, which will essentially will be reinforcing the message that there are fantastic opportunities to be had for those businesses that have the get up and go to seek them out.

    If and when it all ends in tears for the electorate, the UK government will be able to say "Don't blame us for the sh*tshow. We warned you to be prepared and told you to get off your arrse to grasp the opportunities, but if you couldn't be bothered to do that, you've only yourselves to blame. We don't believe in the nanny state. It's been our message all along and it's why you elected us in 2019 with a massive majority. So just run along now and remember that we were the party that ensured the will of the people was enacted."
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  9. colpee

    colpee Star commenter

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  10. sbkrobson

    sbkrobson Star commenter

  11. magic surf bus

    magic surf bus Star commenter

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  12. Katzenjammer

    Katzenjammer Occasional commenter

    Well, it has talen four years, but now the reality is biting.
    And the reallity is that you cannot leave an organisation like the Eu and retain the power to negotiate the terms on which you do so.
    The myth that we could make an advantageous deal with the EU was not the only myth sold to the public by Johnson, Cummings, Farage and Banks, but it is by far the most damaging.
  13. modelmaker

    modelmaker Senior commenter

    It's unusual for a matter concerning Brexit not to have "the usual suspects" on the case,attempting to drown out discussion, but here we have it. The EU outlining what Brexit actually means, ahead of our government trying to cover its back. I'm sure there are great opportunities to be had for the wealhy. Maybe even some citizens with a keen entrepreneurial spirit, but as a percentage of the electorate, how many are we talking about? Would it be as many as 0.1%.

    I have no idea how many of the most vocal supporters of Brexit on here are entrepreneurs, able to take advantage of the "new" opportunities open to them, but I suspect if pressed, they'd have to admit that Brexit won't bring opportunities that didn't exist before unless they worked in the financial industry in some dubious capacity.

    Perhaps now it's become clear to all but the terminally dim, that Brexit won't be bringing unicorns and anyone lucky enough to already own one will find themself struggling to feed it after 1 January, will start asking if it really was worth being able to own a blue passport, that enables them to join the queue at passport control along with the rest of the third world aliens and suffer the same scrutiny to decide whether they're welcome, whilst EU nationals sail through.

    Let's here it from the Brexiters, now that it's being made clear beyond all doubt what leaving the EU actually means and any lies are swept away, precisely how they anticipate being better off.
  14. oldsomeman

    oldsomeman Star commenter

    Time will tell if all your shouting is worth the effort, Well done modelmaker another chance for remainers to shout. Gives then something to do lol
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  15. chelsea2

    chelsea2 Star commenter

    To be fair, there were Brexiteers posting on here who recognised that the economy etc, etc was likely to suffer, but felt it was a price worth paying to 'take back control'

    Of course, it may be that those who feel like that are those who are less likely to suffer the Brexit fall out than most of the UK population.
  16. modelmaker

    modelmaker Senior commenter

    It's also your chance to announce how you'll be better off, having taken back control of something you always had exactly the same amount of control of anyway.
  17. oldsomeman

    oldsomeman Star commenter

    I don't need to say anything as my reason for leaving was a political one, you didn't vote at all so really you cannot point to any decision you made.
    I'm, sure there will be the usual outcry on here because its a Tory party but in reality, no one said it would be easy and splitting from a group is never easy, although I ,in retrospect, realise we were deceived by those who postulated we would be better of in the EU such as Heath, Major, Blair,Brown, Cameron and May. It is more galling in that originally I voted in favour of joining in Heaths time, due to my failure to realise we were being sold a lie.He did deliberately lie!
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  18. sbkrobson

    sbkrobson Star commenter

    ,,,which was?
    Keen to learn.
  19. peakster

    peakster Star commenter

    Cummings and Gove have just over 5 months to try and sort something out.

    How many on here think they have the ability to do it ?.
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  20. Symingtons

    Symingtons Occasional commenter

    The Government is doing too little, much too late - see this story:

    Vast Brexit customs clearance centre to be built in Kent
    Exclusive: council given only hours’ notice of emergency purchase of 1.2m sq ft ‘Mojo’ site


    The government has secretly purchased 11 hectares (27 acres) of land 20 miles from Dover to site a vast new Brexit customs clearance centre for the 10,000 lorries that come through the Kent port from Calais every day.

    It will be the first customs post erected in the UK to deal with goods coming from the EU for 27 years.

    Work will begin on fencing off the vast 1.2m square foot “Mojo” site on the outskirts of Ashford on Monday. The local council were given only a few hours’ notice that the land was now in public ownership.

    After being informed on Friday afternoon, the council leader has been forced to rush out hand-delivered letters to local residents to warn them of the disruption, Paul Bartlett, a Conservative councillor, told the Guardian.


    Bad luck for the local residents and anyone who travels along the M20 and other local roads. Until this is finished (2022?), welcome back the use of the M20 as a lorry park (Operation Brock)?

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