A shame there haven't been any student teachers or NQTs on to clarify what Raymond says - ie student teachers are told 'Poor behaviour will be prevented by more effective lesson planning'. A lot of people understand this to mean, "there will be no misbehaviour in well-planned lessons". Thanks to Raymond for clarifying what he means by this. The phrase 'Poor behaviour will be prevented by more effective lesson planning' is misunderstood by lots of teachers IME. I was going to ignore JamesTES's silly post because of its inaccuracues and leave it there, but I think it would help James if I pointed out where the unfair and untrue comments are there. What is my 'perennial topic'? I stick to posting about discipline and behaviour on 'Behaviour' because that's what this part of TES is for. Do you look at other TES forums? I have posted opinions about religion, music, morality, politics, current affairs, sport, etc on Opinion and Personal. This isn't the place for those discussions, as this forum focusses on 'behaviour' - hence me sticking to that topic on here. I have the same view because that is my opinion - aren't we all consistent on some things? I have offered advice when I felt I could, eg I gave specifics on what worked for me with regard to shouting. Have you ever offered specific advice on what would work? (Post 5 below). https://community.tes.co.uk/forums/t/487215.aspx Some other thread of mine? Not true. If you click the link in the OP you'll see a poster called 'giraffe' started the original thread on Opinion. Either you didn't check, or you think I'm giraffe. From lots of student teachers and NQTs who brought this up. From lots of the posters on the Opinion thread I originally posted a link to on this thread. Mostly from the only other university-based teacher trainer I know of who posts on this forum. RaymondSoltysek, in the first reply to the OP said in his first sentence: "Of course student teachers are taught that effective lesson planning will prevent bad behaviour: it does." Check it out, post 2. So you disagree with Raymond then? I have said this too on many occasions. So nothing's wrong with that. My very next post (post 12) makes this point. I agree with this, and will continue to do so. Or are you too busy looking for ways to have a go at me to notice I said this? It's not my 'myth', its giraffe's. Click on the link to check. Also, most of the posters on Opinion have heard this. Raymond even agrees with it (see post 2, first sentence, as I mentioned earlier). What do you mean by this? Are you referring to the time I post? I started the thread 11:54; my next post(12) was 20:03; third(20) at 06:54 fourth (25) at 14:21 then this one. Okay, so you can't be referring to the time of my posts - so what do you mean by this? James, I really don't know what your problem is with me or my opinion(s), but I post honestly how I feel about things in secondary schools. The views I've expressed are: be fair and consistent with praise and discipline, use sanctions consistently, shouting is a bad idea as overuse makes it useless, well-planned lessons are crucial - especially for the more challenging classes, whole-class detentions should be a no-no as they are unfair, corporal punishment has no place in schools, the police should be involved when serious (scarring or life-changing) assaults take place..... If you disagree with any of the above why not say so, with reasons, instead of just having a non-constructive go based on inaccuracy? Apologies for taking this thread off topic. Its interesting that the two teacher trainers have contradictory experiences of this question.