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Are schools doing enough to teach British values?

Discussion in 'Education news' started by TES_Rosaline, Jul 10, 2018.

  1. TES_Rosaline

    TES_Rosaline Administrator Staff Member

    Schools are taking a ‘superficial’ approach to teaching this topic and relying too much on wall displays and ‘motivational assemblies’:

    ‘Too many schools are taking an "oddly piecemeal" approach to teaching British values, Ofsted's chief inspector has warned.

    British values such as tolerance and democracy should not be taken for granted, Amanda Spielman has said.

    Ms Spielman made her comments today as she set out the role of teaching and a strong curriculum to promote British values in schools and prepare young people for life in modern Britain.’

    What do you think? Are schools doing enough to teach British values? Is there really an opportunity through the academic curriculum to encourage and develop a deep understanding of these values? Do you think teaching values such as democracy, tolerance, respect and the rule of law will help pupils identify "fake news and siren voices"? Ms Spielman believes these values can be taught in history, geography and religious education, but how realistic are these suggestions? Is it necessary to have prescribed time or lessons to teach these perceived nationalistic values or should we focus more on our commonality and being global citizens and the values associated with that, such as respect and tolerance, especially in light of the Brexit vote, the increase of the alt-right movement, Trump’s isolationism etc?

    https://www.tes.com/news/ofsted-chief-attacks-piecemeal-teaching-british-values
     
  2. phlogiston

    phlogiston Star commenter

    Tolerance and respect when there are significant numbers of deportations? (or when the then Foreign Secretary described a Cabinet decision as "polishing a t*&^"?)
    Democracy when there was electoral malpractice in the badly worded referendum?
    Rule of law when a lot of legal aid is being reduced?
    Does the Government really want us to identify fake news and siren voices?
     
  3. snitzelvonkrumm

    snitzelvonkrumm Occasional commenter

    What are British Values? Will these values be on display, for the world to see, if we lose a game of football in the next 2 weeks?
     
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  4. mrajlong

    mrajlong Established commenter

    1. Not jumping a queue
    2. Moaning about the weather (too hot, too cold, too wet, too dry etc)
    3. The ability to find the humour in most things (love this about the Brits)
    4. Hating being told what we should think or do (hence the Brexit vote)
    5. Always rooting for the underdog!

    Any more?

    Maybe she can come and teach it...if she can find time in my "bursting at the belt" timetable. Hold on...aren't parents supposed to instil values in their offspring?
     
    Last edited: Jul 10, 2018
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  5. CheeseMongler

    CheeseMongler Established commenter

    What do you mean "oddly piecemeal", Ms Spielman? Do you mean that the teaching of British Values in schools just appears to be tacked on (in the form of wall displays and assemblies)? That teachers only refer to it superficially or through "stretching the definition a bit"?
    Maybe you should look a bit higher to see where this comes from. Who randomly tacked it onto the school curriculum without specifically stated how it was to be covered? Who are the ones saying that these values are anything more than superficially British? Is it not "stretching it a bit" to claim that being taught about certain values means you are better able to evaluate the reliability of information?
     
  6. koopatroopa

    koopatroopa Established commenter

    Piecemeal? A bit like the "British" education system.
     
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  7. drvs

    drvs Star commenter

    Good example of the disconnect between political ideology and the practical functioning of schools. These are not things which should be taught, they are things which should inform the organisational culture.
     
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  8. colpee

    colpee Star commenter

    Ms Spielman seems terribly intolerant of the ancient British value of not taking officious bureaucratic advice too seriously.
     
  9. vinnie24

    vinnie24 Lead commenter

    6. Sing war songs at international football matches.
     
  10. install

    install Star commenter

    Isn't it communities and parents that need to exhibit British values or common values? Teachers seem to be overwhelmed already with their teaching jobs:cool:

    Teachers are not accountable for all of society's wrongs or ills.
     
    Last edited: Jul 11, 2018
  11. hammie

    hammie Lead commenter

    and who exactly decides what are British Values?
    I suspect the list of values now would differ hugely from many of those of the generation that fought and won the second world war.
     
  12. Lalex123

    Lalex123 Occasional commenter

    There is no need to teach tolerance explicitly, students should learn from the people around them... but sometimes they don’t. Sometimes their parents make teaching tolerance difficult. If we put it on the curriculum, there will inevitably be success criteria. You can’t have a 3 stage tick box system with additional CPD to ensure your teaching of tolerance is successful, it doesn’t work like that.

    How much more would you like us to teach? I hope the DfE or ofsted read forums like this. I hope they realise what is happening to this profession. And I hope they do something about it!
     
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  13. hammie

    hammie Lead commenter

    I am often disappointed by how many of my colleagues start every conversation with pupils in a negative, hectoring style, hardly demonstrating tolerance for others.
     
  14. TonyAllen123456

    TonyAllen123456 New commenter

    Quote from Wiki (sorry!) - Following a pre-appointment hearing, Spielman's nomination was rejected by the Education Select Committee which expressed concerns about her suitability, citing her lack of teaching experience and her failure to show "passion" and supposed failure to show understanding of the "complex role"

    I think the Education Select Committee have been proved right with her statement. When are we going to get rid of idiots in charge without a clue in education.
     
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  15. blowswind

    blowswind Occasional commenter

    Tolerance is a horrible word.
     
  16. drvs

    drvs Star commenter

    Can't stand it, eh? ;)
     
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  17. blowswind

    blowswind Occasional commenter

    Intolerable.
     
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  18. drvs

    drvs Star commenter

    [​IMG]
     
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  19. Jolly_Roger15

    Jolly_Roger15 Lead commenter

    British values like: intolerance, prejudice, and clinging on to an inflated opinion of ourselves in the world?
     
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  20. Bobbbs

    Bobbbs Occasional commenter

    I do find it amusing, as a
    [This comment/section/image has been removed for breaching our Community Guidelines/Terms and conditions]immigrant here, watching the "educated" of Britain tear it apart.

    "We're so evil!", really? In comparison to what? What society, of a large enough scale, has made a better go of it?
     
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