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Are our Care Homes in trouble?

Discussion in 'Personal' started by install, Apr 14, 2020.

  1. install

    install Star commenter

  2. JL48

    JL48 Star commenter

    Problem is, we're denying it's even happening.

    Coronavirus: Older people being 'airbrushed' out of virus figures

    Many older people are being "airbrushed" out of coronavirus figures in the UK, charities have warned.

    The official death toll has been criticised for only covering people who die in hospital - but not those in care homes or in their own houses.

    Work and Pensions Secretary Therese Coffey told the BBC the daily figure was based on hospital deaths because "it's accurate and quick".


    On Monday, the UK's chief medical adviser Prof Chris Whitty told the daily Downing Street coronavirus briefing that 92 homes in the UK reported outbreaks in one day.

    The Department of Health and Social Care later confirmed 2,099 care homes in England have so far had cases of the virus.

    Ms Abrahams said care homes were "underprepared" for the outbreak, adding that the lack of personal protective equipment (PPE) and testing is leading to the spread of coronavirus across the care home sector.

    Italy, Spain and France all include care home deaths in their figures. Why aren't we ?
  3. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter

    Yes, residents in care homes will be suffering horrendously. Care home workers are also at great risk. Once we see the data, we will probably decide to do things differently there too.

    Vallance said it was because it is the international standard. I don't think I believe a word he says now.

    Cummings, Vallance and Johnson. Birds of a feather.
  4. LondonCanary

    LondonCanary Star commenter

    "Did you really leave the most vulnerable of our society - the elderly, the infirm, the defenceless, the muddled, sick and weak - in care homes, shut away from their closest relatives? "
    TBH that is the status quo. They were not a very nice place to be before 2020.
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  5. install

    install Star commenter

    Thank you @JL48

    I think the ONS do include the figures, but yes they are not included in the reported ones we tend to hear about more.

    For me, I have been shocked at the number of Care Home deaths due to the virus. And also that some of these businesses have been complaining about lack of PPE when they should have been more prepared and had lots in stock anyway.

    There was also an episode in some Care Homes whereby they were not going to resuscitate ill patients or get consent from the family.

    It seems to me that far more needs to be done for our elderly.
    pepper5, Nanny Ogg and Lara mfl 05 like this.
  6. install

    install Star commenter

    Thanks @Scintillant

    For me, I understand that of course so many elderly people die each year in Care Homes. But when so many die all at once and at the same time in the same Care Home, one wonders if more could have been done.
  7. gainly

    gainly Star commenter

    Cause of death is what the doctor writes on the death certificate. Since patients are unlikely to be tested for Covid-19 unless they are in hospital there is no way to be certain if they had it.
  8. emilystrange

    emilystrange Star commenter

    Care homes are apparently still being charged VAT on PPE - NHS had that lifted
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  9. Ivartheboneless

    Ivartheboneless Star commenter

    Social care has been a disaster for at least thirty years. Successive governments have done nothing about it since it was "privatised". As one of the wonderful Tory wheezes; allow private providers to make shedloads out of it, employing untrained minimum wage staff of course, except that after a few years they didn't. Many care homes were in trouble before this lot, and there is a long running thread on here (the Alzheimers one) detailing all sorts of problems. There are a few LA run ones still that do better for their inmates. The government are probably hoping this will die down (no pun intended) quickly after the crisis is over. They were probably hoping it wouldn't get highlighted like it is now. I do not expect a solution, or much change.
  10. install

    install Star commenter

    Thanks @emilystrange

    That seems terribly unfair.
  11. WB

    WB Lead commenter

    I don't see how we can say these deaths are being ignored when it's widely reported that it's happening.

    As far as the official figure it concerned, well we need a reliable yardstick that shows the pattern.

    Attempting to include other sources may mean that figure fluctuate and figures from several says ago have to be revised.

    Everybody is very aware that these deaths are happening.

    Everybody is aware that the official figure relates to people in hospital who have died with virus.
  12. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    The lack of full reporting ... or different reporting methodologies... is creating distortions in the data.


    I put that together myself, deaths per million... the countries you mention are clearly ahead, but not perhaps because of the stereotype image some will have. After all, are Portugal and Spain really the different socially? Or do they have different reporting systems for deaths?
    burajda, Lara mfl 05 and install like this.
  13. install

    install Star commenter

    I agree @Ivartheboneless

    It’s a tricky one. I wonder if they would be any better if they actually came under the NHS umbrella.

    I’m curious to know if those elderly people who are being cared for at home by a family carer and/or visiting nurses have a better survival rate.
  14. border_walker

    border_walker Lead commenter

    By the very nature of care and nursing homes this was bound to happen. If staff are not isolated in the home they will bring in disease, not just this one. But many people want to remove their elderly relatives into them, are they not to blame.
  15. sunshineneeded

    sunshineneeded Star commenter

    The focus on care homes over the past few days is causing me - and thousands of others, I'm sure - a great deal of worry. My dad is in a dementia specialist nursing home. Obviously we haven't been able to visit for 3 weeks now, but the home are still sending very regular updates and encouraging us to phone as often as we want to. All is fine there at the moment, staff and residents all well. Long may it continue - thoughts are with all others in the same situation.
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  16. install

    install Star commenter

    Thank you @WB

    I think the lack of discussion about Care Home deaths and the lack of tv news coverage makes it feels like the figures are being ignored.

    We also some elderly patients dying more in some Care Homes than others. Which raise questions about the level of care.
  17. install

    install Star commenter

    I agree @border_walker

    It seems that if an elderly patient has the virus they are then moved into a Care Home. I’m not sure this is the best approach.
  18. colacao17

    colacao17 Senior commenter

    It won't change until people are prepared to vote for a government which will properly fund health and social care.
  19. Ivartheboneless

    Ivartheboneless Star commenter

    No. And many old people in care homes have no relatives.
  20. install

    install Star commenter

    Your dad sounds amazing @sunshineneeded

    I am sure there are some excellent Care Homes our there too.

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