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Are Johnson's days now numbered?

Discussion in 'Personal' started by monicabilongame, Apr 26, 2020.

  1. monicabilongame

    monicabilongame Star commenter


    By TruePublica Editor: The short answer to the ever more shrill question about Boris Johnson’s premiership is that he will not last for very much longer given the current trajectory of abject failure.

    Many people have absorbed the Sunday Times story in one format or another – any many more have read snippets passed around that has littered social media for the last 48 hours. The sense of outrage is palpable.

    The government has disputed the findings. But who really believes a government that got into power in the first place by lying, peddling misinformation and manufacturing fake news – when you’re in the middle of a crisis that threatens just about every family in the country.

    The line up of catastrophic decision making, supported by the likes of Murdoch and Trump speaks volumes. Dismissive of the non-stop warnings and a failure to act has led directly to a lot of dead people in Britain – and the public will not forget that fact easily.

    They won’t forget that when the Prime Minister was supposed to be looking at the evidence, speaking to experts and preparing for the obvious national crisis heading our way – he was lost in his own world of cratering personal relationships, divorce, freebie second holidays and other such nonsense.

    When he did wake up – he decided it was easier to manage it by letting it ‘wash over us’ – termed ‘herd immunity.’ It was also lost on Boris Johnson and his hopeless incompetent team that herd-immunity is a vaccine based model, not a model designed to protect a nation from a killer viral pandemic.

    Documents revealed by TruePublica showed the government knew a pandemic was inevitable, it tested the NHS for such an event and then suppressed the results as it didn’t fit with their aggressive privatisation plans. More intensive care beds and ventilators would cost money, so their response was to sell off vital supplies of PPE and make some money.

    When it dawned on the government that the crisis had not just arrived but was too late to do anything and thousands would die – astonishingly, they decided to formally downgrade the coronavirus COVID-19. All other epidemics such as SARS and MERS that killed very few in Britain remained a high priority infectious disease.

    Somehow, there was a complacent belief that it was not for the UK government to intervene in something like a pandemic, most especially because the one thing they did realise was that a lockdown would destroy the economy – and that was a price too high for them. And it still is. This is neoliberal economic policy in the hands of extremists, not rational normal people.

    And Johnson’s fight is not just about COVID-19 anymore. He’s now fighting medics on the frontline who squarely blame his government for needlessly treating them like cannon fodder and frightened families losing loved ones in addition to some of the once friendly mainstream media who have now about-turned and become hostile.

    At the end of the last election, the mainstream media were in a critical spotlight for their coordinated push against the political opposition with the result that they had lost a huge amount of public faith in them – and they know it. This crisis is their chance to get the public back on side and that is exactly what we are seeing – albeit, they could be asking even more questions than they are.

    Richard Murphy from Tax Research UK rightly points out that – “The government has tried to rebut the detailed claims in the (Sunday Times) article. I suspect they protest too much and harm their cause by doing so. It does not matter whether the PM attends Cobra as a matter of routine or not. His judgement on this issue was so wrong he did miss five. And that error of judgement is his crime. It’s not just the journalists who have lost faith in him though. I suspect the public has over PPE. And they will support the doctors who might refuse to work without protection on this issue.

    The Scottish government is now rightly distancing itself from Westminster – as the seat of power in Britain now stinks of rotting deadwood.

    So, has Boris Johnson been found guilty of negligence in public office and is he too toxic for a Tory party that is quickly bailing the water out of a sinking ship? I doubt it yet, but he’s getting really close. The UK is rapidly closing in on 20,000 officially listed COVID-19 deaths but that doesn’t include other numbers such as care homes and home deaths that will come to the foreground soon. It is also clear and telling that Rupert Murdoch has now abandoned the Johnson ship – confirmed in this Sunday Times story.

    The charge of incompetence and negligence is now well and truly laid and the public has just about made up its mind here. There is a moment when all the evidence of failure will be overwhelming and I suspect that moment will arrive quite soon.

    And the evidence is there to suggest that the UK death toll from COVID-19 may well increase for many months to come – too long for non-stop failure to continue. We could easily see 25,000 in the headlines, but 30,000 will surely be the tipping point – and that is now in sight. Then the economic crisis of the lockdown will unfold and the wider public health crisis will follow it. The headlines will then follow the raised unemployment, bank repossessions, more homelessness and food banks lining every high street in the country. There will be no ‘V’ shaped recession. Throughout all of this, Boris Johnson, the one-trick Brexit pony – who never had any original ideas will offer an austerity weary, virus-ridden citizenry nothing more than a bigger recession. Getting Brexit done is no longer a high priority. Helping the people recover and get over a crisis that was deepened by populism and empty three-worded slogans will be.

    I think the Sunday Times knows this. They see the writing on the wall. So does Murdoch – and he can small a political dead body in the water from miles. Richard Murphy again – “They sensed Johnson will go the way of Chamberlain and others who are overwhelmed by events during the crises whose early events they oversee. To put it another way, they do not think Johnson is a Churchill. They think he’s an Asquith. And so his days are decidedly numbered and they got their attack in early.”

    Politico feels the same way as its headlines focus on the PM’s failure to be anything like his hero Churchill – “Boris Johnson faces up to his history moment.” Various other news outlets are now following the same path and seriously questioning Britain’s leadership in a time of crisis.

    There is the strong possibility that Johnson will throw colleagues under the COVID bus in a bid to save his own skin. But that strategy may not work from within of course.

    We have all seen a vacuous opportunist fail in real-time. It is more likely that they will no doubt keep him in position until they have their ducks in a row once again and throw Johnson to the wolves.

    The question is who will take his place and when – but maybe the bigger question is what will they do that will be so different that it makes a real difference?
    dleaf12, Laphroig, tonymars and 14 others like this.
  2. peakster

    peakster Star commenter

    He deserves the opportunity to try and sort things out even though I suspect it is well beyond his level of ability.

    He is a hostage to his party - Brexit needs to be postponed but does he have the political will to do it ?

    I remain skeptical about that.
    pepper5 and emerald52 like this.
  3. HelenREMfan

    HelenREMfan Star commenter

    Great post @monicabilongame .... I was initially suspicious as to whether he actually had the virus or not or whether it was his attempt to get the consequences of his political life and doings of the past few years out of the headlights.
    The problem is - where do we go now? The fact remains that they only have to latch onto a new mantra like "Let's get Brexit done" and the Sun and Mail readers will be hooked again. If he does decide that it's time to break and run - possibly throwing playing under an 'ill health' banner, who the heck will we get in place and.... Ok OK no one could have predicted this virus - but how much worse off being isolated from Europe and out on our own are we going to be as world economies try to recover? I see nothing said re this. It will be a very poisoned chalice to pick up. Usually the Tories bale out and let Labour in to try and calm the populace (and to have to do some unpopular stuff) I wonder whether that will be the case.
    Laphroig, Alice K, Sally006 and 4 others like this.
  4. oldsomeman

    oldsomeman Star commenter

    We have only an accusation to latch on to, The phoney war has begun.
  5. Mangleworzle

    Mangleworzle Star commenter

    He's become the Prime Minister who wasn't there.

    He wasn't there for those early meetings about CV and when it hit, he got it himself and hasn't been there since.

    Yesterday, upon the stair,
    I met a Boris who wasn't there!
    He wasn't there again today,
    Oh how I wish he'd go away!
    Alice K, Shedman, emerald52 and 12 others like this.
  6. Ivartheboneless

    Ivartheboneless Star commenter

    Nevertheless it was this bunch of Tory liars who got the majority vote and are going to sit in this parliament (or sit in front of a screen pretending to govern) for five years. Whichever sespit you look into it still stinks and is full of turds.
  7. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    Neither was Nicola Sturgeon but I don't hear anyone complaining about that?


    Meanwhile Cummings got in trouble for going to meetings... so government can't win.

    The Tories are polling over 50%... it's all Labour supporter wish fulfilment... much like this whole forum. Labour supporters introspectively lashing out because their party has failed on every level...
    lexus300, Kandahar, newposter and 6 others like this.
  8. smoothnewt

    smoothnewt Star commenter

    He is no statesman, that's for sure, and it was worrying that before going down with the virus he could never manage to come close to an appropriate manner in which to address the nation during the daily briefings: talking about "seeing the virus off" and "operation last gasp", etc.
    It will be interesting to see how he conducts himself in front of the nation following his brush with death.
    I do have some sympathy for the Government, however. Sir Paul Nurse made the very clear point, in a Channel 4 scientific panel programme in the week, that this virus is so new that the science is uncertain, and that new knowledge is being gleaned on a daily basis. His point was that when the Government say they are being guided by the science, the science is evolving by the day - and that nothing is certain at the moment. What held true, apparently early on, is not necessarily true to day, but nobody knew that at the time.
  9. Duke of York

    Duke of York Star commenter

    It was interesting to hear Raab say Johnson's return to work tomorrow will be a boost for the country and media outlets treating it as though it was the breath of air the country so desperately needed, which to me sounds like Raab doesn't want to have to face Starmer again at PMQs in a hurry and the media hasn't been overly impressed with the rest of the cabinet's performance.


    Coronavirus: How long does it take to recover?

    "GP Sarah Jarvis says: "The shortness of breath may take some considerable time to improve... the body is getting over scarring and inflammation."

    She says it could take two to eight weeks to recover, with tiredness lingering."

    "Dr Alison Pittard, Dean of the Faculty of Intensive Care Medicine, says it can take 12 to 18 months to get back to normal after any spell in critical care."

    "Because of what the body goes through in ICU, there's also the possibility of delirium and psychological disorders.

    "There does seem to be an added element with this disease - viral fatigue is definitely a huge factor," says Paul Twose, critical care physiotherapist at Cardiff and Vale University Health Board.

    There have been reports from China and Italy of whole-body weakness, shortness of breath after any level of exertion, persistent coughing and irregular breathing. Plus needing a lot of sleep."

    "We do know patients take a considerable period, potentially months, to recover."

    Is it honestly sensible for him to return to running the country so soon or yet another example of poor judgment by this bunch of clowns?
  10. Yoda-

    Yoda- Lead commenter

    Boris managed to survive, being an accident prone Foreign Secretary, being stabbed in the back by Gove and a population explosion causing private life which we can't even keep up with the number of children he has. I think he will survive. Perhaps he will become Saint Boris? His destiny seems unstoppable to me. Gulp.
    Alice K, monicabilongame and tonymars like this.
  11. LondonCanary

    LondonCanary Star commenter

    Better than we were in December '19.
    border_walker likes this.
  12. artboyusa

    artboyusa Star commenter

    I think we should wait until we hear what Vivienne R Reich has to say on this pressing topic.
  13. artboyusa

    artboyusa Star commenter

    I'm no fan of "Johnson" and I think this government has failed badly with the Wuhan virus. I am happy to expand on that.
    But I think any other government would have failed too, because of the structural deficiencies of the existing system. The country barely functions at the best of times, let alone under the pressure of a black swan event like this one. Anyway, people can dunk on "Johnson" till the cows come home and it won't mean a thing and we've also not heard a single word from Labour about what they'd have done or would do differently.
  14. Luvsskiing

    Luvsskiing Established commenter

    Are Boris' days numbered?

    Absolutely. By my calculations, he's got about 1700 days to the next election, followed by another 1800 to the election after that, before Labour even have a glimmer of a hope.

    Only 3500 days to go then .....
  15. borges33

    borges33 New commenter

    Nicola Sturgeon has been too busy chairing the Scottish Government's Resilience plan since Jan 29th. Why even compare her attendance to that of the UK's Prime Minister? Nicola Sturgeon works for the people of Scotland, not the UK. I'd also hazard a guess that Nicola Sturgeon has very little time for the people in these COBRA meetings too. I can't say I blame her.

    I also wouldn't quote the Daily Record. Their 'agenda' and 'bias' is well known in Scotland.
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  16. ajrowing

    ajrowing Lead commenter

    If you are so confident in that, perhaps you could refrain from posting about the Guardian tomorrow?
  17. sbkrobson

    sbkrobson Star commenter

    I've said this before on a thread about how the UK "will be judged"
    Who put Boris where he is?

    Whilst this thread is calling for accountability from someone who absolutely will not be accountable, there is still a voting public who are also accountable, but wont be told what to do.

    On a world scale, the UK is a hotbed of "I know best"

    It's not about all about Boris.

    Just to elucidate-we've seen a similar sentiment by US analogy. The point gets repeatedly raised-the one thing scarier than Trump is that fact of multiple millions of people willingly choosing him.

    Well, in this case-the UK chose Boris. Knowingly. The cultural response to social distancing is a huge factor in how badly the UK has done.

    It's too easy to blame the one person. (Especially when that one person is a complete tw*t.)
  18. install

    install Star commenter

    Johnson and the Tories will last. You over rate uk MPs and UK leadership to assume anyone yet could take his place. These are unprecedented times but Johnson has a habit of turning perceived failure into success.
  19. BelleDuJour

    BelleDuJour Star commenter

    Next question.
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  20. shakes1616

    shakes1616 Established commenter

    Well that's life! It's not really Johnson's fault, it is nature's fault.
    BelleDuJour likes this.

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