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Archbishop of Canterbury says it is not racist to fear high level of immigration

Discussion in 'Personal' started by FrankWolley, Mar 11, 2016.

  1. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter

    So says Justin Welby:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-fear-high-level-of-immigration-a6924601.html


    Do we agree?


    People are entitled to fear the impact that the influx of large numbers of migrants could have on their communities, the Archbishop of Canterbury has said.

    The Most Rev Justin Welby said it was "absolutely outrageous" to condemn people who raised such concerns as racist.

    In an interview with Parliament's The House magazine, he said that the scale of the migrant crisis meant such anxieties were entirely reasonable.
     
  2. Didactylos4

    Didactylos4 Star commenter

    In the way he has expressed it? Yes. Without question.

    Others express their fears in different ways, some of which are xenophobic and some even racist. (by definition) Fortunately there are relatively few with those views.

    I see the Independent, by their main picture, still struggle to separate migrants/immigrants and refugees.
    Admittedly the definitions are difficult but they could make an effort
     
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  3. Dunteachin

    Dunteachin Star commenter

    Yes.
    A sensible fellow.
     
  4. nomad

    nomad Star commenter

    Yes

    Note the fear is of the impact, not of the immigrants themselves.
     
  5. Duke of York

    Duke of York Star commenter

    Does the fact he wears a dog collar make him an expert then?
     
  6. Dunteachin

    Dunteachin Star commenter

    No, duke, but he just says in plain English what most people think.
     
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  7. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    Ah good another one of our 'betters' telling us what to think...

    Interesting listening to IDS going out about Elites on Radio 4. Does he not know he's in an Elite?
     
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  8. Lascarina

    Lascarina Star commenter

    I expect God will make a similar announcement soon and then Jesus and the Holy Ghost will write a letter to the paper about it.
     
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  9. Orkrider2

    Orkrider2 Star commenter

    Fair. Conversations on immigration and the related issues aren't inherently racist.
    It's just the way the different types of migrant are used as interchangable terms and the discussion inevitably ends up circling back to a certain type of immigrant and the assumption that the only people coming over here are young, fit men who are too cowardly/lazy to live in their own country, are trying to sneak in illegally, are only after the benefits, steal jobs from British people, are pro sharia law, want to subjugate and/or rape all the women, hate Britain and everything it stands for and possibly want to be a suicide bomber. That's when it starts getting into dangerously racist stereotype territory.
     
  10. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter

    R5Live discussing this at the moment...
     
  11. InkyP

    InkyP Star commenter

    I was going to add a comment but Orkrider2 said it all.
     
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  12. grumpydogwoman

    grumpydogwoman Star commenter

    What was said in posts 2, 3 and 4. Definitely.
     
  13. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter

    One of the participants in the studio on the R5Live discussion (name sounded like 'Dreeda'...?) has just said, repeatedly, that there is no such thing as 'race' (except the 'human race').

    Thoughts?
     
  14. Didactylos4

    Didactylos4 Star commenter

    Apart from some almost vanishingly small variations she is right.
    But it's a bigger question than can be discussed here.
    I would submit that this is a pretty fair summary
    http://www.nature.com/ng/journal/v36/n11s/full/ng1435.html

    Amusingly (or not, depending on your pov) the same arguments are used by who argue that racism cannot exist and that such accusations are meaningless and those who suffer from racism.
    :mad:
     
  15. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    Well it's a reasonable point... Creating arbitrary blocks and saying you are this race and you are that race... Where does Black African begin and North African Semitic end? How much 'European' DNA do African-Americans carry and when people say 'Native American' how much actual native DNA is present [I pointed out elsewhere the Chief of the Cree Nation is 1/32nd Native].

    I recall that Red-headed [celtic?] mummies were found on the borders of China.

    What race are the Turks? Roma Gypsys [originally from Indian sub-continent but far removed]? The Basques [they can probably claim to be the first Europeans and the rest of us all immigrants]?
     
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  16. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter


    She got quite voluble when the presenter (Nicky Campbell) pointed out that many in the US refer to themselves as 'Irish American' or 'Italian American' etc. She was in a group of one as regards other callers, too...
     
  17. Didactylos4

    Didactylos4 Star commenter

    I bet she did
    As would I as none of these definitions are relevant or accurate
     
  18. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    Aye I met Americans who told me they were Scots-American... when I asked [one example] there was a Scottish ancestor back 3 generations.

    I could call myself Irish-British as some of my ancestry is people who left Ireland in the aftermath of the famine and settled in Scotland. But I'm overwhelmingly British [I think] so I stick with that.
     
  19. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter

    I guess it depends on whether the image in your head of an immigrant is of an Australian, Canadian, American, German or French person, or of a Syrian, Aghan, Iraqi or Pakistani etc.

    Only the individual can answer that...
     
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  20. aspensquiver_2

    aspensquiver_2 Senior commenter

    Yes but you live close to Ireland; those Scots-Americans don't. Anyway, three generations is nothing in historical terms.

    I may have Viking ancestry but that would go way back so real point in referencing it unless we are talking genetics.
     

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