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Another nuclear arms race?

Discussion in 'Personal' started by chelsea2, Oct 20, 2018.

  1. chelsea2

    chelsea2 Star commenter

    Where has this come from all of a sudden? :eek:
    Just heard it on R4 News.
    Has it been simmering in the background?


    Trump says US will withdraw from nuclear arms treaty with Russia

    Asked on Saturday to clarify, the president said the US will “have to develop those weapons”. He also drew in China.

    “Unless Russia comes to us and China comes to us and they all come to us and they say, ‘Let’s all of us get smart and let’s none of us develop those weapons,’” he said, “but if Russia’s doing it and if China’s doing it and we’re adhering to the agreement, that’s unacceptable. So we have a tremendous amount of money to play with with our military.”

    He added: “Russia has not adhered to the agreement, so we are going to terminate the agreement and we are going to develop the weapons. If we get smart and if others get smart, and say ‘Let’s not develop these horrible nuclear weapons,’ I would be extremely happy with that.

    “But as long as somebody’s violating that agreement then we’re not going to be the only ones to adhere to it.”
  2. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    Yes it has... Obama complained about it in 2014 but the Europeans didn't want to rock the boat at the same time that Crimea was being annexed and the Ukrainian civil war was being ratcheted up.

    Putin's Russia is unstable and dangerous*. Which is a shame because Russia is a great country.

    * yes yes trump sucks too.
    nomad likes this.
  3. Timothy_Blue

    Timothy_Blue Lead commenter

    Yes. Obama had no bottle.
  4. peakster

    peakster Star commenter

    Obama had more sense - another knee-jerk piece of foreign policy.
    les25paul and red_observer like this.
  5. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    Sense to let the Russians break treaties and develop new nuclear weapons technology?

    Must be a new definition of "sense"
    artboyusa and woollani like this.
  6. peakster

    peakster Star commenter

    Sense - is not what American foreign policy makes anymore.

    I'm not depending Putin for a second but how do we know the Yanks haven't done the same - their military budget is immense.
  7. red_observer

    red_observer Star commenter

    I don’t believe anything Trump says snd I don’t likd Putin either.
    Aquamarina1234 likes this.
  8. Timothy_Blue

    Timothy_Blue Lead commenter

    More reason for action as opposed to Obama's lotus eating.
  9. red_observer

    red_observer Star commenter

    So you believe the Russians ARE cheating?
  10. Timothy_Blue

    Timothy_Blue Lead commenter

    Without question.
  11. MAGAorMIGA

    MAGAorMIGA Star commenter

    In a major policy speech at the Brandenburg Gate in Berlin on 19 June 2013, United States President Barack Obama outlined plans to further reduce the number of warheads in the U.S. nuclear arsenal. According to Foreign Policy, Obama proposed a "one-third reduction in strategic nuclear warheads - on top of the cuts already required by the New START treaty - bringing the number of deployed warheads to about 1,000." Obama is seeking to "negotiate these reductions with Russia to continue to move beyond Cold War nuclear postures," according to briefing documents provided to Foreign Policy. In the same speech, Obama emphasized his administration's efforts to isolate any nuclear weapons capabilities emanating from Iran and North Korea. He also called for a renewed bipartisan effort in the United States Congress to ratify the Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty and called on countries to negotiate a new treaty to end the production of fissile material for nuclear weapons.

    In a far-off galaxy, long, long ago we had a President who tried to bring about nuclear disarmament via negotiation. That he failed is entirely down to President Putin.
  12. Timothy_Blue

    Timothy_Blue Lead commenter

    That why Mr Trump is streets ahead. You don't try negotiating with Putin or ISIS.
  13. peakster

    peakster Star commenter

    But you see - this policy isn't very bright.

    If Trump pulls the US out (and I wonder who told him to do that) then Putin and his engineers can develop what they like - as can the Americans.

    Is anyone going to challenge Putin ?

    I think not.
  14. Aquamarina1234

    Aquamarina1234 Star commenter

    "Russia" and "America" aren't Putin and Trump.
  15. red_observer

    red_observer Star commenter

    But wouldn’t a negotiation with Russia be better than a new arms race.? If they then refuse then pull out of ththe deal but give peace and diplomacy a chance, sadly Trump only does threats and bullying.
  16. peakster

    peakster Star commenter

    Unfortunately - at the moment - they are.
    monicabilongame likes this.
  17. red_observer

    red_observer Star commenter

    The only thing diving the racist idiot Trump is to compare himself with Obama. On every score he’s failing.
  18. chelsea2

    chelsea2 Star commenter

    And to do the opposite, or undo what Obama did.
    Why does he need to do that?

    What do you do, then?
    (A serious question).
  19. vinnie24

    vinnie24 Lead commenter

    Yes I don't think Trump has dropped as many bombs as Obama has.
    red_observer likes this.
  20. red_observer

    red_observer Star commenter

    That’s tasteless and offensive

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