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... and yet another attempt to paint teaching in London as fabulous ....

Discussion in 'Education news' started by binaryhex, May 21, 2018.

  1. binaryhex

    binaryhex Lead commenter


    Just what we need. Another nice glossy website, white washing over the untackled and perennial dreadful behaviour in schools, terrible pay, unrealistic workload, lack of affordable housing, lack of family time, mental health issues amongst teachers etc etc etc.

    I'm sure Khan's package (£144000 plus lots of expenses) is managing just fine.
    BetterNow, Shedman, woollani and 2 others like this.
  2. Mrsmumbles

    Mrsmumbles Star commenter

    Yep, that's about the humour of it..Bleak.
  3. BTBAM

    BTBAM New commenter

    I want this profession and the education system to be ON ITS KNEES and any attempt to fix it short-term is appalling because it will stop real change for a bit - just like the DfE's lies about how there was no recruitment problem for the last four years. No recruitment problem, now this? Sorry, what happened DfE?

    We need total and utter destruction, we need schools NOT staffed for next year, we need classes of 90+ and that won't happen while 'they' lie about the profession and bring in more well-meaning mugs to plug the gaps.
  4. David Getling

    David Getling Lead commenter

    BTBAM you are absolutely right. We need a true disaster in education, like the Titanic, or Grenfell Tower, in order to focus most people's minds on how really terrible UK education is these days. Because the truth of it is that most parents deliberately bury their heads in the sand, rather than confronting the problem.

    Like any politician, Khan is all mouth, because he knows that on his package he can afford to get someone like me to tutor his kids out of trouble, and give them a massive advantage over their peers.

    Oh, and I'm glad the housing is mentioned, because even many years ago I didn't consider teaching until I was very firmly and securely entrenched on the housing ladder.
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  5. elder_cat

    elder_cat Senior commenter

    Careful what you wish for :D:D:D
    Mrsmumbles, bevdex and Shedman like this.
  6. tonymars

    tonymars Established commenter

    Teaching in London.
    Housing costs.
    And...people think it is "NORMAL" to pay 60%+ on providing a basic roof over your head.:mad:
  7. catbefriender

    catbefriender Lead commenter

    Dare I ask the obvious? What about the GROWING army of over 50s that are being 'let go of' in schools? What about the 335,000 teachers that are qualified and of working age? What of the 100,000 qualified teacher who have never completed Induction and probably never will? Are we to assume there are no qualified teachers available in London to fill these jobs? I have sent off many applications to local schools and had ZERO response cos I'm over 50. The only 'offers' I've had are from schools in the Hinterlands, on average 15-18 miles away, when I could theoretically be working on my doorstep and earning thousands more and not travelling around 50 minutes to get to a school.

    If they want to take on younger teachers, and the younger teachers want to work for less hours and earn more, and there are more and more opportunities opening up for them to do so due to Brexit, then good luck to all of them, I say. Aint my problem. I'm pass caring.
  8. Timothy_Blue

    Timothy_Blue Lead commenter

    hear hear.

    Mr.Khan is an utter disgrace.
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  9. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter


    Lol, that's living the dream...

    *opens window, listens to the sea, and still two hours until I go in to school. An extortionate shoebox in London? Nah, don't think so mate.
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  10. sadscientist

    sadscientist Senior commenter

    "The report concludes that retaining more teachers in London should be a “key objective for policymakers and system leaders” and recommends a focus on lowering the cost of living, increasing teacher pay, increasing training subsidies and salaried training routes, introducing more flexible working and better support and professional development opportunities."

    So this is a bad idea then?
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  11. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter

    Are they reasons why people are leaving the profession? If so, then it might help. If not, then...
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  12. phlogiston

    phlogiston Star commenter

    There seems to be some considerable animosity.
    I have never applied for a job closer than 60 miles to London, because it has always been so expensive round there. However, I don't wish for the destruction of education there.
    The Mayor is at least acknowledging the problems, even if they don't have enough money to do much about the huge problems.
  13. catbefriender

    catbefriender Lead commenter

    Truckloads of older, qualified and experienced teachers live in and around London, practically on the doorsteps of a lot of these schools BUT they ONLY want the young uns round 'ere. There aren't hardly any over 50s in any of my local schools. Perhaps the mayor should start recognising the problem of the underemployment of the over 50s, and that they are the HIGHEST number of people in receipt of JSA and going to be 1/3 of the population by 2020.
  14. Jolly_Roger15

    Jolly_Roger15 Star commenter

    My experience of trying to find work in London, in a supposedly 'shortage' subject, too, exactly accords with @catbefriender's. The only 'offers' I have had within London are for unpaid work. Even the 'hinterland' jobs, in the counties surrounding London, are for rebranded teaching roles paying shelf-fillers' wages. The 50+ mile round trip commutes involved would mean being on the road longer than I was in the classroom, and the cost of petrol would eat up most of the money I made.
    Last edited: May 23, 2018
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  15. David Getling

    David Getling Lead commenter

    To add to the anecdotes, this is the situation at my nephew's school, where I'm absolutely certain they are very well aware of my existence. They have several absolutely awful maths teachers, one physics teacher who is definitely going senile, while the other's teaching has seriously decline since his wife had a baby. And, their chemistry department is looking for a HOD.

    Have they made approaches to me, an old boy who got his grade A chemistry A-level at 16, and took the school maths prize in Y13, and who now tutors A-level maths, chemistry and physics. Have they hell! Of course, these days I'd tell them where to stick it, but they don't know that.
  16. catbefriender

    catbefriender Lead commenter

    @David Getling and @Jolly_Roger15 the issue is, that SLTs these days believe that with the use of a few tried and tests Powerpoint presentations, during the school's twilight hours, they can train absolutely ANYONE to be a teacher in ANY subject.

    Subject Specialist degree, A level or PGCE is unnecessary. You would be better off stating you had a degree in Classics when applying for a post in a Science department. Oh, how they love the challenge....:rolleyes:
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  17. armandine2

    armandine2 Established commenter

  18. David Getling

    David Getling Lead commenter

    Cat, your mention of PowerPoints made me laugh. This is exactly what the useless maths teacher, with an English degree, who has been set loose on further maths students, does. I'm told that she also regularly spends a whole lesson struggling with a single problem that someone like me would breeze through.
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  19. catbefriender

    catbefriender Lead commenter

    From what I've learnt of teaching Maths, it really helps when you can create your own unique resources or adapt it to the needs of the students you are teaching. I know a lot of Maths teachers with Maths degrees who are frightened/reluctant to teach A level Maths and who carefully explain which bits they will only do. Further Maths really is a problem if you haven't got Physics. I have no idea what is going on in education these days.
  20. blazer

    blazer Star commenter

    Are they still busing teachers from Wales into London on Mondays and busing them home again on Fridays?
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