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Amber Rudd.... what is the record for the shortest time in cabinet?

Discussion in 'Personal' started by Mr_Ed, Dec 8, 2018.

  1. Mr_Ed

    Mr_Ed Lead commenter

    This woman should be sacked (again) this weekend.

    I have just read:

    a) She is advocating a Norway-style Brexit (if May's deal is voted down) so basically a 'non-Brexit', because that would still allow free movement and payments to the EU.

    b) She has revealed a private conversation with the PM: "In an interview with The Times, Ms Rudd also took the unusual step of revealing details of a private conversation with the prime minister, even critiquing her leadership style by saying “she is not always forthcoming” about what she wants." This should get her sacked, on it's own.

    c) In her interview she also said: “I certainly feel a particular support for Theresa May as a woman to a woman*. The men think they are standing on principles but they’re not getting things done.” (The) men at Westminster “seem to flounce out quite a lot”.

    Imagine for a moment if she was a man, talking like that about women: "I certainly feel a particular support for Fred Bloggs as a man to a man. The women think they are standing on principles but they’re not getting things done.” (The) women at Westminster “seem to flounce out quite a lot”. Imagine the repercussions of that!

    *So she is also two-faced.

    So, does anyone know, what is the shortest time an MP has been in the cabinet and in addition, how many have been sacked more than once by the same PM? She might be on track to break two records!

    Apparently, she is angling for the leadership once May goes - like we need another 'Remainer' in the top job! - what a joke.
  2. Duke of York

    Duke of York Star commenter

    It can't be long before every Tory MP has had a go at being a cabinet minister.
  3. colpee

    colpee Star commenter

    Edit: David Laws - about 3 weeks ?
  4. colpee

    colpee Star commenter

    Well no; having been invited back actually puts her in a stronger position to do such things - the PM can hardly sack her again so quickly without it reflecting on her own judgement.

    :eek: Can you imagine the chaos if that really was a sacking criteria? It just goes with the job.

    Well TBH, who wouldn't fancy themselves as better than Theresa May - it is no great self-flattery
  5. JL48

    JL48 Star commenter

    As does Peter Hitchens - an arch-Brexiteer (1m38 / 6m20 / 11m40)

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  6. Geoff Thomas

    Geoff Thomas Star commenter

    That would be the Norway option that Norway has already said is off the table?

    It takes a special kind of "I am British so I am special"ness to come out with this kind of rubbish.
  7. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    Why would Norway get a say in it?
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  8. JL48

    JL48 Star commenter

    Because we would join to become members of a pre-existing club (EEA and EFTA)?

    That said, if the UK and the 27 other countries agreed to it, I do wonder how much power they would have to say no.

    Interestingly, didn't we set up EFTA years ago as a counter weight to the then EEC?
  9. Mangleworzle

    Mangleworzle Star commenter

    They could do it like rush-goalies, "Err, yes, I'm the Minister for Bolox-and-Lies and I can categorically say that at the moment, the ministerial view on this matter is etc. etc.", press are happy, MP's get to feel important, everyone ignores them and nothing changes.
    sodalime likes this.
  10. florian gassmann

    florian gassmann Star commenter

    Each EEA country (even the 62 square miles of Liechtenstein) has a veto over new members. Norway has been blowing hot and cold over UK membership, but yesterday's news was not good:

    Norwegian politicians reject UK's Norway-plus Brexit plan

    Senior Norwegian politicians and business figures have rejected Norway-plus, the increasingly touted British cross-party plan for the UK to leave the EU but join Norway in a free trade trade area inside the EU single market. They attacked the idea as “neither in Norway nor the UK’s interest”. The UK would need Norway’s permission to join its Efta club.​
    Last edited: Dec 8, 2018
    JL48 likes this.
  11. sparkleghirl

    sparkleghirl Star commenter

    The Norwegian politician interviewed by C4 seemed to suggest that the EFTA that Norway is a part of depends on consensus between Norway and the other member countries. She said they can't just take decisions without the agreement of Lichtenstein and Iceland. And she clearly stated that she doesn't want Britain being part of that club.
  12. florian gassmann

    florian gassmann Star commenter

    Just 17 days as Lib Dem Secretary to the Treasury in the 2010 coalition government, before he resigned over expenses. Like many others, though, he was reprieved after time on the naughty step. This time he was rewarded with two jobs: Minister of State to the Cabinet Office and Minister of State for Schools, both of which appointments he held for ove two years.
    Mr_Ed and colpee like this.
  13. EmanuelShadrack

    EmanuelShadrack Star commenter

    Is there any resemblance between the Efta Club and the Tufty Club?
  14. schoolsout4summer

    schoolsout4summer Star commenter

    Norway said that they don't want Britain mixed up in their agreement because Britain would cause trouble and mess it up for them.
  15. JL48

    JL48 Star commenter

    Well, we do have form . . .

    Says something about the reputation we're getting.
    EmanuelShadrack likes this.
  16. JL48

    JL48 Star commenter

    Well they're both 60s throwbacks that we're supposed to have grown out of . .
  17. Mr_Ed

    Mr_Ed Lead commenter

    Yet again this woman should be sacked (following her appearance on Peston last night). https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/brexi...abinet-brexit-row-second-referendum/#comments

    There should be no second referendum and as a minister she should not give the idea any consideration at all.

    Why did Theresa May not fill her cabinet with Brexiters, a full cabinet of Brexiters with a remainer PM is probably right or a mixed cabinet with a Brexiter as PM, but this current setup just ain't working.

    Brexit isn't Brexit ('cos it ain't ever going to happen) an absolute disgrace.
  18. JL48

    JL48 Star commenter

    Why? If it really is the will of the people, then they will just vote to Leave again.
    She gave the most significant Brexit positions to Brexiters. They just cut and run when the reality hit, 'cos it's easier to carp from the sidelines.
    chelsea2, vannie and Mangleworzle like this.
  19. Mr_Ed

    Mr_Ed Lead commenter

    Really? Or was it because despite their efforts TM had a hidden agenda (BRINO or Remain) and they couldn't change her view on that. For example, take David Davis, he assumed he was Secretary of State for Exiting the EU, but in actuality a civil servant (Ollie Robbins) was doing all the negotiating and working towards TMs end game: Chequers and then the Withdrawal Agreement i.e. Chequers by another name - Brexit means CHEQSIT?
  20. JL48

    JL48 Star commenter

    BRINO is a concept that only Brextremeists and the alt-right (along with their real masters - Putin and Trump) believe in. The vote was whether or not we should be members of the EU, not what our relationship should look like afterwards - whatever lies you perpetuate.

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