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All teachers will work Saturday mornings soon, then Sunday have longer days and shorter holidays ...

Discussion in 'Education news' started by binaryhex, Jan 21, 2018.

  1. binaryhex

    binaryhex Lead commenter

  2. Ezzie

    Ezzie Occasional commenter

  3. JohnJCazorla

    JohnJCazorla Lead commenter

    Well let's hope that enough teachers leave, either through walking out or being carried out that this idea becomes unworkable.

    I never thought I'd wish for such devastation to be visited on teachers but I really can't see how anything else will stop it. Unions haven't got the willing membership and I bet even this won't grow any backbones where it counts.
     
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  4. JohnJCazorla

    JohnJCazorla Lead commenter

    It's really aggravating to discover AGAIN that the lazy so-and-so's are still not capable of doing the necessary work in timetabled lessons in the first place.
     
  5. bonxie

    bonxie Established commenter

    If they want to keep their current staff and avoid them burning out, they're going to have to employ extra teachers to plan/teach/mark the extra lessons. Without a significant budget increase for each school, I can't see this happening though. I expect that the current staff are already looking for new jobs elsewhere. Rapid staff turnover will ensue.
     
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  6. dunnocks

    dunnocks Star commenter

    I've worked in two schools over the last 10 years where Saturday and bank holiday lessons were expected. I left one because of it
     
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  7. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter


    If they were independent schools, then they would have longer holidays to compensate (esp. in the summer - 2 good months is not unusual).

    But normal state schools (whether academies, free schools or whatever) who simply lengthen the school day, then the school week, then the school term are taking the proverbial.o_O

    The long holidays esp. were a major reason I became a teacher...wonder how many of the next generation want to work 6 day weeks with shorter holidays for the salaries now on offer ;)
     
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  8. Jolly_Roger1

    Jolly_Roger1 Star commenter

    I agree with @JohnJCazorla. All these 'extra lessons' devalues the worth of regular, timetabled lessons. How many times have you heard a students 'excuse' their laziness in lessons by saying, "It doesn't matter. I'll go to revision classes." The other message it sends out is that some subject curricula are too packed with content to be deliverable in the time allowed.

    Not only the teachers but the students will 'burn out', too. Unmotivated students will not improve by larger doses of what they do not want to do. The same goes for well-motivated students, as well. When I was at Uni, we often had eight lectures in a day, and by mid afternoon, most of what I heard went in one ear and out of the other.

    @FrankWolley: Mr Squeers advertised that one of the advantages of 'Dotheboys Hall' was that there were no holidays. Longer hours and six-day working, like raising the age of compulsory education to eighteen, is just a way of 'getting them off the streets' at minimal expense
     
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  9. dunnocks

    dunnocks Star commenter

    both state schools. actually both LEA
     
  10. David Getling

    David Getling Senior commenter

    If this happens it will serve teachers right for not having the guts to say NO! Most teachers have less spine than a jellyfish. When a bully starts throwing his weight around instead of standing up to him they cower, gibbering in a corner hoping that his fist will land on someone else.

    Yet again, need I remind everyone of the idiots in F.E. colleges who threw away their school holidays. Ostensibly it was for a nice pay rise, but any fool could have seen that smaller pay rises in future years would ensure that they had given up their holidays for nothing. This is a perfect example of what happens when you are spineless.

    When I worked in the City, which doesn't have a reputation for taking prisoners I remember my boss on the phone to a dealer. The conversation went something like this: if you want that done today you've got to let me know very quickly, because come 5:00 pm David is out the door and there's nothing I can do to stop him. I've always stood up for my rights, and to bullies, which is why so many in schools hate me with a passion.
     
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  11. sparkleghirl

    sparkleghirl Star commenter

    Agreed, the whole idea seems to go against everything we know about effective learning.

    Edited to add: And against the well being of the children. Let them be children - even the teenagers!!!
     
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  12. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter

    Ofsted need more of a nudge to actually DO something about workload.

    They now have a voluntary staff questionnaire at inspections (WOW!)

    Obviously, were Ofsted to take a dim view of places overworking teachers and contributing to the retention probelm things might change.

    However, they won't do anything.
     
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  13. applecrumblebumble

    applecrumblebumble Lead commenter

    Progress seen in 20 minutes during observation should mean the typical school day is plenty of time to learn what is needed for a gcse exam. We spend too much time mollycoddling kids, if they get behind then they need to do the work to catch-up.
    On another note too much time is wasted on low level disruption, time out of lesson doing enrichment activities, intervention and such like. There are plenty of things that could be done first to make the learning experience more efficient.
     
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  14. Jolly_Roger1

    Jolly_Roger1 Star commenter

    At TTC, we were once lectured for an hour and a half about 'effective attention span', during which we were told that even intelligent, well-motivated students can only concentrate for forty minutes.
     
  15. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter


    In which case they were exploiting you.
     
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  16. baxterbasics

    baxterbasics Senior commenter

    imagine a graduate with a good degree in a shortage subject considering teaching; £23k starting salary; constant scrutiny and stress, poor behaviour; blame culture and and an extra half day of work on a Saturday morning...no thanks. Nobody is that much of a masochist.
     
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  17. peter12171

    peter12171 Lead commenter

    The bit I have highlighted is key. If poor behaviour can be addressed there will be much more learning going on, which will negate the need for extra lessons etc. It might even meant the admin side of things is less onerous as we'll be able to focus on other things more effectively.
     
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  18. Jolly_Roger1

    Jolly_Roger1 Star commenter

    When we had after-school revision sessions, the poorly behaved, unmotivated students did not bother to come to them, which defeated the object of running them. What it did show is how much better classes could be, and how much more learning went on, without the constant disruption caused by poor behaviour.
     
  19. Oldfashioned

    Oldfashioned Occasional commenter

    Pupils now think the only important lessons are the after school revision sessions and think it's ok to do very little in normal lessons. Over the past 3 years I've been on long term placements in 5 schools and seen this attitude on a regular basis.

    I certainly don't do after school, holiday or Saturday sessions. I wouldn't even if I were paid.
     
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  20. phlogiston

    phlogiston Star commenter

    I remember one moderately disastrous after school session being ruined by someone else's aggressive idler coming along to mess things up. It was one of the few times I've chucked someone out of an after school session.
     
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