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Alf's gone

Discussion in 'Personal' started by Duke of York, Nov 14, 2015.

  1. Duke of York

    Duke of York Star commenter

    RIP Warren Mitchell.


    "The irony of a left-wing, Jewish, Spurs supporter playing a Conservative-voting West Ham fan was not lost on Mitchell, although he became concerned that some of his audience failed to recognise the show as satire.

    He recalled an exchange with a fellow Tottenham fan who had come up to congratulate him on "having a go" at immigrants. "Actually," Mitchell tersely replied, "we're having a go at idiots like you.""
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  2. colpee

    colpee Star commenter

    I liked Warren Mitchell and 'Alf' was a fantastically well played character.
    ilovesooty likes this.
  3. Treefayre2

    Treefayre2 Established commenter


    Actors are largely comprised of luvvies.
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  4. Duke of York

    Duke of York Star commenter

    Are you sufficiently competent to extrapolate on the point you're making, Treefayre, such that it might be comprehendable?
  5. dumpty

    dumpty Star commenter

    There was little about Alf G that made any message of him being ridiculed. The series had him pitched against the fake socialist son in law and if anything was more documentary based than comedic. Have nothing against Mitchell but he took this character for as much money as he could, so trying to play some kind of moral card appears a bit hypocritical to me. I do often wonder if actors, used to playing made up lines, continue to make up lines and if this exchange really happened.

    It is too convenient. Mitchell knew he had to distance himself from Alf, at least officially. Yet was apparently happy to play him forever.

    But yes, RIP.
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  6. Treefayre2

    Treefayre2 Established commenter

    Sure Duke.

    Dumpty's done it for me but it's probably gone whooshing right over your big hat:=)

    Cheers Alfred!
  7. Morninglover

    Morninglover Star commenter

    Apparently Warren was one of Arthur Miller's favourite actors... I think I'd take that as a reference if I were an actor...
  8. Didactylos4

    Didactylos4 Star commenter

    And yet both he and the screenwriter made their positions clear from the beginning of the first series both in print and in interviews on radio and TV.
    It is a mark of the skills of both the writer and the actor (and the relative intelligence of some of the audience) that the caricature became so belovéd of the very culture it was satirising.

    My most vivid memories of Mitchell the actor were of his Shakespearean roles especially his performances as Shylock and Lear
  9. grumpydogwoman

    grumpydogwoman Star commenter

    My (uber-racist) father loved Alf. Mind you, he was as thick as a brick and had no idea it was Alf who was being satirised. That was the annoying thing about it. It was too subtle. I'd sit there in a rage whilst my dad thought his views were being endorsed on prime-time TV.
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  10. Didactylos4

    Didactylos4 Star commenter

    The best satire often is
  11. VanEyssen

    VanEyssen Established commenter

    When only the cogniscenti get it,its a total failure.
  12. oldsomeman

    oldsomeman Star commenter

    i love this old stand up of alf in front of stars
  13. Treefayre2

    Treefayre2 Established commenter

    He forced you to watch?
  14. Didactylos4

    Didactylos4 Star commenter

    Having checked the definition carefully I doubt that I qualify (or ever have)
  15. aspensquiver

    aspensquiver Star commenter

    Is this a joke post? If not...
  16. cuteinpuce

    cuteinpuce Star commenter

    It's a poor sort of satire that has to explain that it's satire.

    For many viewers, the programme worked fine - at a time when comedians commonly presented racist, sexist and homophobic views as the norm - as a straightforward comedy of cultural clashes, revolving round the ordinary bloke, Alf Garnett.
    aspensquiver likes this.
  17. VanEyssen

    VanEyssen Established commenter

    OK, i will regard you as an intellectual snob, if you prefer. The best satire is not for the little people.
  18. Didactylos4

    Didactylos4 Star commenter

    You can if you wish
    Taken as a single quote that would suggest that you should regard yourself in the same terms as you would apply to me
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  19. ilovesooty

    ilovesooty Star commenter

    I think his Shylock was one of the best and most moving I've ever seen.
  20. aspensquiver

    aspensquiver Star commenter

    I wouldn't have been able to see beyond the ghastly Alf. But hey, your choice.

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