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Agency action on new European rulings for agency workers

Discussion in 'Supply teaching' started by Pennyforyourthoughts, Sep 8, 2011.

  1. Pennyforyourthoughts

    Pennyforyourthoughts Occasional commenter

    Anyone been informed by their Agencies how they are going to tackle the new EU rulings regarding Agency workers which come into force in October which after 12 weeks we will all most probably be entitled to work to our grades?
  2. Pennyforyourthoughts

    Pennyforyourthoughts Occasional commenter

    ALL SUPPLY TEACHERS ......Make sure you know what your Agency is going to do about the new ruling that is about to be introduced in October. Don't leave it to the last minute, you need time to understand the implications and know what is the best decision for you to make regarding these changes.

    ACT NOW and report back to us all on what the changes will mean to you and how you Agency will put them into practice.
  3. jubilee

    jubilee Star commenter

    It will be difficult, if not impossible, to make this work in favour of supply teachers.
    No teacher is ever employed for 12 continuous weeks; there are built in breaks at half term and between terms and supply teachers are not employed in those gaps. The most we manage are 7 or 8 weeks of continuous employment.
  4. Hence this new EU rule is a complete non-starter for supply teachers, many of whom DO NOT WORK CONTINUOUSLY FOR 12 WEEKS!
    Why raise this as an issue affecting supply teachers - yet another rod for our backs? Playing into the hands of all the malicious, exploitative and mercenary employers out there?
    Some schools/agecies/LAs etc already pay to scale, so no problem!!!!!
  5. Pennyforyourthoughts

    Pennyforyourthoughts Occasional commenter

    I suggest you read up on the new ruling especially if you work through an Agency or likely to.
    To explain in more detail the 12 week ruling.

    If you work for an Agency and you predominantly work with one LEA only then the 12 week rule starts on the first day you work for that LEA .... should you work every day but in different schools in that LEA, one day in every week for the 12 weeks or just one day at the beginning and another at the end of the 12 weeks it constitutes you working for that LEA within a period of 12weeks. The 'continuously' reference is slightly misleading as supply teachers tend to go into several different schools but within the same LEA. If you work with 2 or more LEAs then the same applies.

    Agencies are working around this dilemma and to date I have heard of Agencies employing us as permanent employees under contracts for a set salary to get around the problem. Anyone else know of how agencies are going to operate after the 12 week ruling which will start to kick in about Jan 2012
  6. Simple solution. 11 weeks and 4 days, then you get fired. What the mega lol is, delivered by the roflcopter is that we are unlikely to get a day's work, let alone 12 weeks. lolololol. It would be tragic if it wasn't so funny.

    This really hammers small businesses who are expanding, you need agency staff, as you cannot take on the risk of things cooling down and you needing to let them go, so with these new rights, you are between the frying pan and the fire. The solution will be for schools to use people borderline off the books (as a dodgy iso-cash in hand thing) or to use cut price, cut qualified staff. For small companies, it will be to set up a shell company who does the work and hires the staff and any funny business, or people attempting to exercise their new and totally uneconomic rights will be thrown on the scrapheap with not a hope in hell of getting even a penny as the shell company is folded....... unless the next step is to muck about with this as well.

    As much as it pains me to say it, things like the minimum wage and all this socialist nonsense cripple the actual "working" economy. I think we are beginning to reap the reward of all of this nonsense.
  7. Similar analogy...keep claiming JSA contribution based if you have only paid work for 15.9999999....hours/week or less during a sign-on fortnight!!!! Perfectly legitimate and at £67.50 per week it pays your bills![​IMG]


  8. Hence this new EU rule is a complete non-starter for supply teachers, many of whom <u>DO NOT </u>WORK CONTINUOUSLY FOR 12 WEEKS or are most unlikely to do so!
    Why raise this as an issue affecting supply teachers - yet another rod for our backs? Playing into the hands of all the malicious, exploitative and mercenary employers out there?
    Some schools/agecies/LAs etc already pay to scale, so no problem!!!!!

  9. magic surf bus

    magic surf bus Star commenter

    There was thread on here recently quoting supplementary guidance to the AWR for supply teachers. The guidance stated that where normal half term and end of term holidays occur the 12 week counter will roll over the holiday period and continue into the new term or half term.
  10. moleylong

    moleylong New commenter

    Could someone please post a link to a web page that can tell me more about this? Having read through all your comments I'm still not entirely sure what the new regulations will en-tale and would like to read up on it for myself. Thanks guys :).
  11. magic surf bus

    magic surf bus Star commenter

  12. Just heard from my agency about this. Basically they want us to sign a contract with them so technically we are employed by the agency, and any school would therefore not have to pay up if we went over 12 weeks. It won't essentially make any difference to us, we can still do work for other agencies or refuse any work we don't want. But if we have been available for work for a 4 week period and done no work for other agencies, rung every week to say we are officially available, and they still haven't given us any work they then have to pay a certain amount of pay to us anyway. However, even half a days cover in the 4 weeks would be enough that they didn't have to pay it so can't see us benefiting or the agency losing!
  13. Pennyforyourthoughts

    Pennyforyourthoughts Occasional commenter

    I would have thought that they have REALLY REALLY gone into this to find a loophole in the system to their advantage to stay in business which has seen a mass increase in Agencies over the last 5 years. Competition for first Agency call is tough and it is going to be those who give the best deal to schools that will survive.............BUT not if the salary they pay us is not good enough to keep us. Time they cut their profits to keep more people in work.
  14. Pennyforyourthoughts

    Pennyforyourthoughts Occasional commenter

    TIME FOR SCHOOLS TO EMPLOY US DIRECT AGAIN...................... cut out the middleman.

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