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Discussion in 'Primary' started by dc88, Feb 16, 2011.
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I too have noticed a falling off of teachers running after school clubs. This started with the head who complained that she was never around to run her club and other teachers have gradually followed suit.
I like running a club and usually do sports as I'm P.E. co-ordinator. But I'm thinking of doing a lunchtime chess club instead as my evenings after school are pretty packed.
Nobody gets paid for after school clubs.
Hmm well three of us run after school clubs. I run two the others run one each.
I also run two early morning booster classes, one maths one literacy as does the other year 6 teacher, who is one of the above who runs a club.
From a school with about 16 members of teaching staff it isn't exactly great, but hey ho!
I think giving up because 'no one else does it' is a bit sulky and childish. No one makes you do a club, if you want to run one then do and if you don't then don't. What other people do is irrelevant.
There is an expectation for every teacher to run a club for at least a term at my school and nobody gets paid extra, nor should they. I think contributing to the wider life of the school is part of a teachers job and is actually something I really enjoy!
There are ways of contributing to the wider life of a school other than running a club. No-one can be made to run a club - you should speak to your union if you are being made to do this. I have run them in the past and may well do so again but I don't believe it is anyone's duty to run one.
You contribute to the wider life of your school when you lead an assembly, do playground duty, when you speak to children on the corridors or playground of your school - could be a friendly chat or reinforcing expectations of behaviour, when you have children in your room who have been sent from other classes because they're driving a colleague mad, when you give colleagues advice about teaching/learning/behaviour management and when you're just there to give people support when they need it.
I see no reason why teachers cannot be directed to run a club, as long as it is within the rules for directed time.
James, presumably if they are getting paid for the 1:1 they are teaching 1:1? I know it's hard to swallow but if they are doing it properly, the 1:1 needs planning and assessing on a weekly basis they need to set targets and provide evaluations at the end of the course for each child. I know I don't do that when I'm taking sports clubs and I'm guessing you don't either.
It's not right, extra-curricular clubs should be valued more, they are it's just they are valued by the ones who don't pay us i.e the children. I mutter and moan to myself every other week when I hear people complain in my school about work loads, I've made a choice though to run after school clubs and put up with having to take more home on those nights. It's my choice. At the end of the day what will the children remember most fondly about their primary school, the booster or the club you've run for them? It's a small reward but it's worth it!
No teachers in my school run clubs any more. A few do 1-1 tuition or Maths boosters after school, but these are paid. Any after school clubs are run and organised by parents or outside specialists. I'm afraid the ridiculous expectations in terms of planning and assessment make it impossible nowadays to spare time after school for anything other than marking today's work and preparing tomorrow's.
I run after school clubs but the vast majority of staff at my school (including the "leader"ship team) don't.
I also volunteer at another local club but the vast majority of parents don't.
In this country there are people who are willing to take an active role in the community and the majority who don't. It's the way it is and you shouldn't be resentful or self rightous. Neither should you try to to do everything: just decide what is right for you and if children slip through the cracks or miss out, that is not your fault.
all teachers in our school run clubs - all after school - it's an expectation. We run it for the full school year and we don't get paid for it (apart from the booster class teacher). We do however, get to choose the nature of the club and so we don't necessarily end up doing things we wouldn't like to do!
If I turn the expectation around for a moment....
All the children in my school are expected to participate in a minimum of three after school clubs, and once they sign up for them they are expected to be committed to them for the term.
For those children who wish, there are also prep sessions, which are monitored by members of staff who haven't the imagination to run something more inspiring!
We are expected to have a hand in several clubs although if there is little or no take up by children, the club might be disbanded. The children are also able to suggest clubs they might like to try.
The range of clubs and societies is enormous: from gardening and bridge and choirs and orchestras and any number of sports and croquet in the summer and editing the school magazine and golf and dancing of various kinds and CCF for the slightly older children. There used to be Frisbee and fencing and bird/nature watching and cubs when there were members of staff who knew how to.
Along with most members of the CR, I love running clubs - and the children get an enormous amount from the enthusiasm we generate by teaching our own hobbies and pastimes.
And the simply way of ensuring that they happen school-wide is to arrange for the bus runs not to start until 5:20pm!
Agreed OP! In my current school some members of staff have never done after school clubs. Those of us who do have cut them shorter and dropped some due to the amount of paperwork, assessment and meetings we are now expected to do. There just aren't enough hours in the week to do as much stuff with the children anymore. On another note many of us have also commented that there isn't even time to talk to them and take a general interest in their lives anymore...very sad indeed.
I run several after-school clubs and would run more if I had any time! I do enjoy them, plus one is Film Club, so I can mark books while the children watch a film, so at least I can do work while they enjoy themselves!
Lots of members of staff don't run clubs, but I'm not annoyed they don't. It's their choice, I love the clubs I run and hope it gives the children something to look forward to each week. However, I did object to being accused of spreading myself too thin by a member of SLT. It is always being suggested I (and presumably others) should make themselves more widely known in school and how better to do that than to run a club? I don't feel like my teaching is suffering, either. When I start to not plan/assess/prepare lessons for my class very well, then I will think about dropping a club. Not before.
I run football club and love it. Especially when you get to watch the teams play in matches. It does help that we have a really good team this year too.
There is a pretty large % of teachers in our school (inc. Head and DH) who run clubs. I don't care if there are some that don't. It's their choice.
v12 - do you teach at a state or at a private school?
i suppose we compromise in that there is an option of after school sports clubs linked to the school, but paid for
i would not like to do after-school, i have my own kids. but, not being a lunch-eating person, i'm happy to do lunchtime clubs - i do 3 and am thinking of moving to a 4th - but they have to be clubs that require little or no extra preparation - i have refused to get involved with a couple that would have taken me heaven knows how long each week to prepare materials for(before i sound too put-upon, the situation in both cases was that the staff member who had previously run the club no longer could)
This is the first year I haven't done any clubs and I don't regret the decision at all.
If we are getting a pay freeze for 3 years I will continue to work as hard as I can for the children at my school but I feel that as the goodwill to teachers is no more, I don't feel inclined to do the unpaid extras like clubs.
I have been running after school clubs in primary schools for over 20 years, for one 3 year period 4 a week, all after school.
I have never been paid, I have refused payment, I have always done it voluntarily because I believe in doing it. if anyone 'expected' me to run one I would not only refuse point blank but notrun one again until the expectation was denied. They are extra curricular and the curriculum is what we are employed and contracted to deliver, running clubs does not appear in our list of professional duties.
Management can expect all they want, just let them try and force/harrass/bully you into doing something beyond contract and you can take out a complaint, even a grievance if it gets bad.
I'm glad I made this post as it has given me some good food for thought and it was interesting to read different peoples' views and how expectations differ in different schools regarding after-school clubs. I'm just going to carry on doing what I'm doing, I think- somebody hit the nail on the head when they talked about the children remembering and valuing the clubs. Sometimes, the BS just gets you down and you forget why you're there in the first place!
As a parent I appreciated the staff who gave up their time to run clubs. As a fairly new teacher, I now really appreciate how tiring it is to finish a day of teaching and then run a club. Thankfully our school generally runs short term time limited clubs - so have my Tuesday nights back again.
I will be running my club again next term. But have a fresh insight into it. Kids are more relaxed, and some pushed the boundaries more. I was unprepared for how difficult i would find to keep going for that extra hour or so. Particularly when a couple of challenging children decided they wanted to come!
I also run quite a few clubs and sit on committees: Europe trip, Mexico trip, grad (that's huge) and the PD committee, as well as teaching core Language Arts and Secondary FSL (195 students in all this year). I'm happy to do it, I wouldn't get involved if I weren't interested (and the travel perks DEFINITELY make up for all the hard work!). What's most frustrating, I think, is that the secondary teachers are expected to stay later (ie at Meet the Teacher the K-4 teachers were done at 7:00, the rest of us had to stay until 7:45 or later, same with parent-teacher interviews) and the teachers who leave earliest are the ones who complain about being SO BUSY and don't help with anything (not even staff room cleanup). It always seems like the ones who work the longest hours and teach the most students are also the ones who do the most extra-curricular. I certainly don't get paid extra, that's for sure. Rant over... so James, it's just as tough in secondary