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Aerosol transmission of Covid-19

Discussion in 'Personal' started by Aquamarina1234, Jul 8, 2020.

  1. Aquamarina1234

    Aquamarina1234 Star commenter

  2. Morninglover

    Morninglover Star commenter

    This is the phone in currently on R5Live (09.00-10.00).
     
  3. Catgirl1964

    Catgirl1964 Established commenter

    Surely the guidance for schools will need to be rethought as a result of this although I’m sure nothing will happen until WHO officially amends its guidance. Schools cannot have full classes with social distancing needing to go back to at least 2m and masks compulsory on the back of this emerging evidence.
     
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  4. Kandahar

    Kandahar Star commenter

    Masks in schools? I didn't think schools were advised to use them at all
     
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  5. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter

    Get a mask on people.
     
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  6. Rott Weiler

    Rott Weiler Star commenter Forum guide

    If I've read that BBC item correctly the masks currently available to schools wouldn't be adequate if the aerosol transmission theory were proven and it would need specialised masks currently only available to healthcare professionals.

    Another signatory - Professor Benjamin Cowling of Hong Kong University - told the BBC the finding had "important implications".

    "In healthcare settings, if aerosol transmission poses a risk then we understand healthcare workers should really be wearing the best possible preventive equipment... and actually the World Health Organization said that one of the reasons they were not keen to talk about aerosol transmission of Covid-19 is because there's not a sufficient number of these kind of specialised masks for many parts of the world," he said.
     
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  7. sunshineonarainyday

    sunshineonarainyday Occasional commenter

    I am appalled that the DfE seem to think that we don't need a Covid-secure workplace. I haven't been particularly concerned about the virus for myself as I'm not in any of the high risk groups, but I have always felt a huge amount of social and community responsibility - I would never forgive myself if I unwittingly passed it to someone else whilst out shopping/for a walk etc. and they were then very ill. To say that we are not allowed to wear any form of PPE in schools almost feels like discrimination against school staff - everyone else can try to mitigate the risk to the best of their ability, but we are not allowed to do that. At worst, it feels like gross negligence - the risks have simply not been reduced enough for us, our families or the wider community where we all have a responsibility to look after others.
     
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  8. Morninglover

    Morninglover Star commenter


    According to the virologist on R5Live this morning, any mask will be of some use, but one with 2 (or more) layers will be of more use (if I understood correctly, this is because the droplets from infected people, are usually 'wetter' and therefore larger and so some will be stopped by any mask.
     
  9. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter

    Plenty of time before Sept to ensure schools can provide masks.
     
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  10. Kandahar

    Kandahar Star commenter

    There are no masks available to schools in my district.
     
  11. Rott Weiler

    Rott Weiler Star commenter Forum guide

    Masks are readily available online as far as I can see. I keep getting emails advertising them. Why can't your school buy them online?
     
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  12. Aquamarina1234

    Aquamarina1234 Star commenter

    £1 apiece.
     
  13. Catgirl1964

    Catgirl1964 Established commenter

    So schools should stock up for September as masks become available. Anyhoo, from past experience, nothing will happen until it becomes a mad panic at the end of August and suitable masks become scarce very quickly. Too little, too late as per England’s performance so far during this pandemic. Cynical, moi?
     
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  14. Wotton

    Wotton Lead commenter

    Wearing masks is fine if people wear them properly. Staff at local pharmacy all wear them but one member was constantly touching hers. Person removing theirs while walking in the street, took it off and proceeded to fold it up and placed in hand bag. Any virus now removed from mask to hands. Slipping them to below the chin or onto head like an Alice band and yes they all touched the main part of the mask.
    So if you don't wear them properly they might as well not wear them at all.
     
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  15. chelsea2

    chelsea2 Star commenter

    How can you move them or take them off without touching them?
     
  16. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter

    This is too serious for each school to be deciding what to do.

    Teachers should be allowed to wear masks and should have access to them. It looks increasingly as if we should be wearing them as the default position.
     
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  17. CheeseMongler

    CheeseMongler Lead commenter

    You should only need to unhook them from behind your ears and not touch the fabric over your mouth. Alternatively you make sure you wash your hands after removal - something I doubt @Wotton's individual in the street was able to do.
     
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  18. Wotton

    Wotton Lead commenter

    @chelsea2 As CheeseMongler said you unhook the straps from behind your ears. If we wear them we put them in a sealed plastic bag when we remove them.
     
  19. chelsea2

    chelsea2 Star commenter

    But you're still touching them.

    I thought the type of masks most people are wearing were largely to protect others from the wearer, rather than vice-versa. In which case touching the outside of the mask won't matter, as the mask will have kept our droplets inside.

    How is touching the outside of the mask any different from touching any other part of our clothing? We don't / can't wash our hands every time we do up our coats / take off our jumper, etc.

    I'm not being argumentative - just confused.
     
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  20. Wotton

    Wotton Lead commenter

    https://www.who.int/images/default-...aphic---(web)-logo-who.png?sfvrsn=b15e3742_16

    How do I wear a face mask correctly?
    • Wash or sanitise your hands before putting it on
    • Ensure the mask goes up to the bridge of your nose and all the way down under your chin
    • Tighten the loops or ties so it's snug around your face
    • Avoid touching your face, or the parts of the mask that cover your nose and mouth
    • Wash or sanitise your hands before taking it off
    • Use the ear loops to take the mask off and wash or sanitise your hands afterwards.
    (this is from a hospital web site for staff's questions but it equally applies to everyone wearing a mask).
     
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