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Advice. suspended pending an investigation

Discussion in 'Workplace dilemmas' started by hayder_mohamed, Mar 26, 2018.

  1. hayder_mohamed

    hayder_mohamed New commenter

    I was talking to a few friends on facebook regarding a recent article about descrimination and anti sematicsm and instead of posting a comment on their page i posted on the article/ newspaper page. my comment on its own is anti semetic but it wasn't supposede to be a standalone comment. it was to riducule/show all the extreme replies that have been made. a person screen shot it. tweeted it and i was suspended pending an investigation. My union are considering a managed exit. I've spoken to my recrutier who said that it being reported to GTC is an issue. I do not know whether to let it happen and follow the investigation or do a managed exist. I was offered a position at a different place for september but they found out and pulled the offer.
    I'm at a loss of whther i can teach again or not.
  2. nomad

    nomad Star commenter

    The GTC no longer exists and has not done so since 2012.

    Follow your union's advice.
  3. hayder_mohamed

    hayder_mohamed New commenter

    sorry meant NTCL. my fear is in both cases im being reported to them so what's the benefit of my position? as once it gets reported they still might withdraw my ability to teach.
  4. galerider123

    galerider123 Lead commenter

    And if that is your real name please contact TES and have your username changed.
  5. Jesmond12

    Jesmond12 Star commenter

    Facebook.... will people never learn?
  6. nomad

    nomad Star commenter

    Your union is in possession of the facts of your case. I am not. Therefore any 'advice' from me (or, indeed anyone else on this forum) would be superfluous.

    Follow your union's advice.
  7. grumpydogwoman

    grumpydogwoman Star commenter

    So. Analogy.

    I post the following on social media: Fat people are all stupid.
    But I am actually ridiculing the sort of person who routinely goes round saying that fat people are all stupid. It's not my contention. Quite the reverse!!!

    But someone takes it as abuse of the overweight. And I get into trouble.

    Well. Am I going to get much sympathy or understanding? Is my boss going to pity me for being so sorely misunderstood? When my boss would then look as if s/he were endorsing my opinion? And my boss would be for the high jump too?

    You see what I'm getting at?

    Post #5. What @Jesmond12 said.

    *shakes head and sighs as you do if you're on Facebook*

  8. caterpillartobutterfly

    caterpillartobutterfly Star commenter

    So you posted on a public site under your own name, while part of a conversation on FB?This would take more effort than posting it to your friends' pages! :confused:
    Errr so why didn't you post a comment ridiculing the extreme replies then? Why post your own antisemitic comment? :rolleyes:
    Ahhhhh see FB wasn't the problem at all. Twitter has caused you this hassle! :)
    That's very good of them and of your school. Many schools would sack you for posting antisemitic comments and many union reps would be unsympathetic in the extreme.
    Your what?????
    How did they find out? And, if the investigation is not yet complete, they aren't in a position to withdraw their offer.
    I'm at a loss as to how someone who posts antisemitic messages could teach in the first place?! Especially if they can't even spell it! (Nor spell an awful lot of other words...)
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  9. grumpydogwoman

    grumpydogwoman Star commenter

    I'd be amazed if you got a Settlement Agreement. You do know you are bound by a school policy on use of social media. Here's one from a primary school:

    B. Use of social media sites by employees in a personal capacity

    It is possible that a high proportion of staff will have their own social networking accounts. It is important that they protect their professional reputation, and that of the school, by ensuring that they use their personal sites in an appropriate manner. Staff will be advised as follows:

    • That they familiarise themselves with social network sitesprivacy settings in order to ensure that information is not automatically shared with a wider audience than intended It is recommended that, as a minimum, all privacy settings are set to friends only, irrespective of use/purpose
    • That they do not conduct or portray themselves, or allow friends to portray them, in a manner which may:

      ÿ Bring the school into disrepute;
      ÿ Lead to valid parental complaints;
      ÿ Be deemed as derogatory towards the school and/or its employees;
      ÿ Be deemed as derogatory towards pupils, parents/carers or governors ÿ Bring into question their appropriateness to work with children
      ÿ Contravene current National Teacher Standards

    I have no sympathy and no advice. Just astonishment that a union is prepared to support you. When will you ever learn if you still think it was an OK thing to do?
  10. caterpillartobutterfly

    caterpillartobutterfly Star commenter

    I'm with you on the no sympathy, but I think a union is more or less duty bound to support a member through the process, even if the rep is personally appalled by the actions of said member.
    border_walker and Piranha like this.
  11. baxterbasics

    baxterbasics Senior commenter

    Nobody knows what was said, but I have found that certain things can be deemed antisemitic when they are not necessarily so. I have seen people who call for limits on UK immigration called "racist", for example - so the definition of antisemitic can similarly be very subjective. If I criticise Israel's policy towards Palestine, I know that at some point somebody will call me antisemtic online. There is a subjective element.
    leonni and monicabilongame like this.
  12. sabrinakat

    sabrinakat Star commenter

    This has to be a joke, right?
  13. hayder_mohamed

    hayder_mohamed New commenter

    Thank you. I see what you mean.
  14. hayder_mohamed

    hayder_mohamed New commenter

    Thank you I appreciate your opinion. This still places me in my current dilemma which is what I have said was taken purely on it's own and devoid of any context. Regardless, I'm unsure about my future.
  15. grumpydogwoman

    grumpydogwoman Star commenter

    It's not very amusing though. If it's a joke. I can think of better ones.
  16. hayder_mohamed

    hayder_mohamed New commenter

    Thank you for your opinion and I appreciate sharing that policy and letting me know about it.
  17. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter

    Wind up.

    Probably by a teenager.
  18. CWadd

    CWadd Star commenter

    So you made an anti semitic comment, someone screen shot it (nice of them) and you tweeted it.

    I believe posting racist/anti semitic material is a crime...I could be wrong.

    Possibly time to look for another career.
  19. catbefriender

    catbefriender Lead commenter

    According to your profile you are a student teacher and an English subject specialist. As an English subject specialist, you should be aware of how confusing/ambiguous the written word is/can be, especially when you are trying to be sarcastic and how many people are easily offended by things, when read out of context and especially online.

    There may be questions raised as to your Training provider not making it crystal clear what the expectations of being a teacher are. I remember our first ever lecture at university on my PGCE was about not sleeping with students. I thought it was far fetched, but they started off with that then the non racist thing etc.

    You will have to go over ALL that was written and write up your own defence of what has been said. If you are released from your teaching placement, you will probably have to go through the university's disciplinary process and if you pass that, you may be able to get another school to complete your second placement in.

    Get support from the university's student union, if you are doing a PGCE via a university. You could volunteer to go on race awareness training, to show your commitment to racial equality and your willingness to learn more about how not to offend racial and religious groups.
  20. Rott Weiler

    Rott Weiler Star commenter Forum guide

    Yes, this. Only your union knows exactly what has happened and can advise you.

    Your union may be "considering a managed exit" - I assume they mean a Settlement Agreement [SA] - but that doesn't mean the school are considering it. Your union can consider it until the cows come home but unless the school is also willing to consider it the option will not be available to you.
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