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advice please

Discussion in 'Teaching abroad' started by melmmow, Nov 26, 2015.

  1. melmmow

    melmmow New commenter

    I have been teaching for 8 years now, 4 as a classroom teacher of Science, 2 as a lead practitioner delivering CPD as well as teaching in Science and 2 years as a current Head of Science. I originally came into teaching with the dream of working over seas, but, as life would have it, opportunities have taken me on a different path. Although professionally fulfilling, I still want to seek the goal of working abroad.
    I have decided the next academic year is the time to take the leap! However, I am completely over whelmed of where to start or where to go?
    I'm terrified of choosing the wrong school or place to live? I would like to be a couple of hours flight away, so hoping to remain in Europe (Spain/Baleraric's are of particular interest to me).
    Advice, recommendations, experiences shared would be greatly appreciated.
    Melmmow x
  2. the hippo

    the hippo Lead commenter Community helper

    Wouldn't it be easier (and cheaper) just to go for a holiday in Spain, once in a while?
  3. Principal-Skinner

    Principal-Skinner Occasional commenter

    I agree with the pachyderm. This is very much shallow end stuff. Salaries in Spain are typically low, so if the finances aren't important but safety is: India, Malaysia, Thailand or Vietnam are ideal places to aim for. Your can expect salaries around £1000 to £2500 after tax to be common in the 'average' schools in the region. Far more interesting an adventure and relatively safe.
  4. percy topliss

    percy topliss Established commenter

    Agree with both. Here in Bangkok salaries for teachers range from about 2K to 4K a month. A canny teacher or a teaching couple can save about 3K. I have only heard of poorly paid jobs in Spain and I really cannot see people saving the likes of what people do here. As Mr Pottomus says from the tone of the initial post melmmow may be better off dropping into Benidorm for a holiday every six months.
  5. the hippo

    the hippo Lead commenter Community helper

    Rumour has it that the taxes in Spain are also pretty high. The pain in Spain stays mainly in the bank account, rather than on the plain.
  6. melmmow

    melmmow New commenter

    Thanks for the feedback.
    I am lucky in that I do holiday several times a year, but, it hasn't been enough to make the urge to teach abroad disappear?
    Perhaps I need to look further afield?
  7. pizza15

    pizza15 New commenter

    The world is a big place.I'd still be in Asia living the 5* Hotel brunches, buying cheap dvds,driving my moped and taking numerous holidays if personal circumstance didn't bring me to the US. Packages in Asia are generally pretty good and the expat communities are close so it is quite easy to make friends. Not to mention the opportunities for travel in the region. If your keen on the Balearic islands I am sure you can find Asian equivalents.
    grdwdgrrrl and melmmow like this.
  8. the3wordposter

    the3wordposter Occasional commenter

    BIS in Europe
  9. melmmow

    melmmow New commenter

  10. the3wordposter

    the3wordposter Occasional commenter

    British International Schools.
  11. melmmow

    melmmow New commenter

    Thought so, what's been your experience with them? :)
  12. TimeBomb2015

    TimeBomb2015 Occasional commenter

    Is easier to make friends with locals and more interesting.

    Whilst sticking with your own kind might be helpful initially for a first timer, there's no point living overseas if you only socialise with borish Brits; you may as well stay in Blighty. If you're young and single, see how many different nationalities you can notch on the bed bedpost before getting hitched. I advise getting experience of real life rather than the closeted world of the British expat circle.

    As to the 'expat' communties: dining at a UN club or attending the Queen's birthday at the Embassy is fine to fill yourself with food and there is less likelihood of getting the trots afterwards compared to Mo's semi barbecued sheep innards shack next the road, but if you don't socialise with the locals you'll miss out of the best parts of living in Asia, or indeed anywhere else you may wander.
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  13. TonyGT

    TonyGT Established commenter

    Hi melmmow. There is a definite pattern on this forum to be aware of. Someone will ask a question about living and working in Europe and will immediately be told "Don't bother. The only place overseas teachers should work is (insert random desert location here)." People seem absolutely nonplussed as to why someone would want to work in Italy over Qatar or China.

    There is a HUGE difference between going on holiday to a place and living there. The main one being that you don't have to go back after two weeks and continue working in a British state prison.

    Do spread your net wide, but also don't write off places without doing your own in depth research. Of course, you're not going to make as much money in a European desirable destination as you are in Kuwait, but there will be a huge difference in quality of life.

    If you do decide on the middle east or China though, Hippo is apparently a good source of some helpful advice.

    Good luck
  14. melmmow

    melmmow New commenter

    Thank you TonyGT - I feel some have misinterpreted the 'tone' of my initial message, as a trip to Benidorm is certainly not my cup of tea! Had that T-shirt and burnt it!
    Have done some travelling in Europe and admire the way of life and culture and of course, climate! You have made a good point that holidaying is not the same as living and working, but suppose that's the risk you take?
  15. karel

    karel Occasional commenter

    I agree with TinyGT. There is no need to completely right off Europe. There are plenty of places with some excellent schools were you could be very happy and have an excellent quality of life.
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  16. the hippo

    the hippo Lead commenter Community helper

    My apologies if I have been at all negative or unhelpful. Yes, of course there are some great schools in Europe and in many ways teaching in a European school would probably be a lot easier (and more enjoyable?) than in wilder and more "seriously foreign" places.

    Mrs Hippopotamus and I very much enjoyed our two years at a British School in Bucharest. Yes, Romania was not as exciting as Kenya, but after a while you get bored with power cuts and the novelty of sleeping under a mosquito net soon wears off. Although at the moment we are very much of the opinion that the Middle Kingdom is better than the Middle East, perhaps this is because we spent so much time in the ME that it was such a pleasant change to go somewhere different. Maybe someone coming to China from a school in Europe would have a very different perspective.
  17. TimeBomb2015

    TimeBomb2015 Occasional commenter

    I find your posts are getting a bit too repetitive, Hippo.
  18. TimeBomb2015

    TimeBomb2015 Occasional commenter

    Can someone tell Hippo to stop sitting on his keyboard!
  19. melmmow

    melmmow New commenter

    Thanks for the messagessssss Mr Hippo. You have obviously a wealth of travelling/teaching knowledge and experienced some amazing times in classrooms around the world.
    I asked initially about Europe as a) I am nervous about going alone and not having done anything like it before, being a very small town gal too! b) My parents are in their 70's and don't want to be too far away from them.c) In my limited travelling experience Spanish culture in all its forms has been the most enjoyable and memorable and would like to learn the language too.
  20. the hippo

    the hippo Lead commenter Community helper

    Argh! Why has the same post appeared four times? Come on, TES Mods!

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