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A psychotherapist explains...

Discussion in 'Personal' started by Scintillant, Oct 13, 2019.

  1. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter

  2. Doitforfree

    Doitforfree Star commenter

    She doesn't 'explain it'. Firstly, she uncritically states that adults (implying with no evidence given at all that it is many or even most adults) are against young climate change activists. And then she gives her opinion add to why this is.
     
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  3. needabreak

    needabreak Star commenter

    Perhaps some adults are reacting to disruption to the transport networks that cause them challenges getting to work to earn a crust to keep a roof over their and their families head, as well as disruption that causes uneccesary costs and use of services such as police, alternative transport and business as well as the tax revenues associated with those industries that pay for the education of the majority of young people and infrastructure, as an adult I'm still not sure what solution is being requested... do "something" isn't enough if the "something" isn't specific, achievable, measurable and time constrained.
     
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  4. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter

    Yeah, maybe. However, your comment and those adults' reactions are nothing to do with Ms Thunberg. Extinction Rebellion are carrying out the actions, not Ms Thunberg. She's just recommending we listen to the science and act accordingly.

    If you want to do "something", burn less carbon. It's not rocket science.
     
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  5. viceroy

    viceroy Occasional commenter

    Disclosure statement
    Caroline Hickman is affiliated with The Climate Psychology Alliance.
     
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  6. Ivartheboneless

    Ivartheboneless Star commenter

    People are bound to react badly to something that disrupts their own lives. It doesn't take a shrink to work that one out.
     
  7. viceroy

    viceroy Occasional commenter

    Intelligent people are likely to react badly to hysteria.
     
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  8. needabreak

    needabreak Star commenter

    I don't want to do "something", I do all I reasonably can as an individual and as an adult, we have been here before. If the group want to do something they might like to make clear how they want government and business to "act accordingly" within the remit I formerly mentioned and it may well be rocket science which is why it is so important to be clear.
     
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  9. George_Randle

    George_Randle Occasional commenter

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/10/14/extinction-rebellions-war-on-the-working-class/

    And who do these poshos target? The working-class men of Smithfield meat market. The working families of Billingsgate fish market. And the good people of London just trying to get to work or to jet off on a much-needed break from the vagaries of life in capitalist society. These plummy millenarians can use all the pseudo-progressive language they like – the rest of us know that the XR uprising is class war waged by eco-elites against the apparently unenlightened little people...

    A little further down the aristocratic scale there is Tamsin Omond, the granddaughter of a baronet. She’s a former member of the implacably snobby anti-flying group Plane Stupid, whose website once denounced the ‘enormous growth in binge-flying’ and in particular the ‘proliferation of stag and hen nights to Eastern European destinations chosen not for their architecture or culture but because people can fly there for 99p and get loaded for a tenner’. Eurgh, those frightful oiks travelling around the world, how grotesque.

    O'Neill is right to emphasise the class aspect of XR, but it's ironic that a movement which claims to be founded on science shows so many of the aspects of a religious cult.

    Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings hast thou ordained strength because of thine enemies, that thou mightest still the enemy and the avenger.
     
  10. NoseyMatronType

    NoseyMatronType Lead commenter

    Although I disapprove of the methods adopted by Extinction Rebellion, the message and the science behind it does give me cause for concern.

    Meanwhile, the weird cult of boring, superannuated old blokes like Clarkson denouncing Thunberg and the movement is easily explicable in terms of Terror Management Theory.
     
  11. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    China is developing 260 gigawatts of coal fuelled electrical production. That is additional to the roughly 1000 gigawatts of coal electrical production they presently have.

    The UK in total produces 85 gigawatts. We could turn off every electrical device in the UK and not make a dent.

    Yet saying this is deemed unacceptable to the zealots.

    Cue someone blathering about 'per capita'... UK is behind China 'per capita'.
     
  12. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter

    I have already pointed you towards world leading climate scientist Michael Mann's comments on China.

    Apparently you haven't seen or listened to them.

    So let's try again
    https://news.grabien.com/story-michael-mann-china-doing-way-more-we-are-climate-change

    To do nothing, because "China", is just wrong headed.

    Plenty of those around these parts
     
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  13. needabreak

    needabreak Star commenter

    The science behind it has given me concern for over 30 years but what exactly do they want done by the UK government and businesses?
     
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  14. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter

    These are from Professor Anderson, who knows as much about carbon budgets as anyone:
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    We need to push for such changes from our MPs and discuss and recommend such actions to our friends, family and work colleagues.
     
  15. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter

    I know it's pointless...

    but can you provide some examples of zealots deeming the above as unacceptable?
     
  16. Aquamarina1234

    Aquamarina1234 Star commenter

    Any zealot can wheel out a professional zealot to back their ideas up. Some zealots even harp on more than one string.
    It's easy to flush a zealot out on here. The B word or the E word and BOUF! Like a genie from a lamp! I find "Corbyn" quite a good one too.
     
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  17. nomad

    nomad Star commenter

    :D
     
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  18. needabreak

    needabreak Star commenter

    Is he a representative of extinction Rebellion? If he is then age clearly is not the defining factor. In any case he is only highlighting a potential failure to achieve what was already agreed as part of the European climate change agreement which we knew we would fail to reach prior to 2016 (interesting time line perhaps)... Nothing new here I fear... So my point remains about the pressure group not being unique (on another thread and again here) and them not being specific about "their aims"... Presenting me with other people's aims or our likely failed aims does little if anything to explain what they actually want.

    I would add that compared to some other nations nay continents we have seen much progress by it even being placed on the agenda and monitoring progress or lack of it, so perhaps the protest venue in the UK is somewhat misplaced, as others have indicated... Namely Ian.
     
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  19. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter

    It is not misplaced. To again try to use China as a reason to take less action, is to misunderstand the situation. As Michael Mann states clearly, China are doing a huge amount, while we have caused the problem the planet is already facing.

    Mr Anderson supports XR, but as a world leading expert in carbon budgets, his comments carry much more weight and describe what needs to be done very clearly. Don't worry about XR, promote Mr Anderson's recommendations as often as you can..XR are asking that politicians act on the science. That is good policy.

    XR's aims are:
    1. Government must tell the truth by declaring a climate and ecological emergency, working with other institutions to communicate the urgency for change.
    2. Government must act now to halt biodiversity loss and reduce greenhouse gas emissions to net-zero by 2025.[17]
    3. Government must create, and be led by the decisions of, a citizens' assembly on climate and ecological justice.
    Seems good sense to me.
     
  20. needabreak

    needabreak Star commenter

    That is not what I was doing, I was once again pointing out that these ideas are not new and in fact drawn from our own somewhat lapsed agreement, an agreement I might add made by adults for the future of all, thus once again the age divide the group/your link claims is a null hypothesis.

    For the record I don't like nor approve of and will not support artificial divisions in society to prove an unrelated point, or indeed scapegoat sections of society, its tantamount to inflammatory bullying, clearly I'm not alone and I'm no middle classed white man or even a climate change denier.
     
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