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A matter of time

Discussion in 'Computing and ICT' started by cas38, Nov 28, 2011.

  1. It was only a matter of time wasn't it?...
  2. ..and not a moment too soon either!

  3. autismuk

    autismuk New commenter

    " Next Gen called for programming skills to replace learning about business software in ICT lessons"
    Oh ***. It is possible to do both !
    There are at least four different bits. I managed to cover them all with 10 BBC Micros (well okay, not the Video bit :)) 25 years ago.
    - Office studies - WP, DB, Spreadsheet.
    - Media and Presentation Powerpoint/Publisher/Art/Design/Web Page Design
    - Audio and Video Media work
    - Computing/Programming/Electronics/Control

  4. Really, where are all these jobs in the Computer Games Industry?
    It seems to me that we have idiots here seeking to change the entire curriculum in British schools for 3 low level coding jobs in an industry that could disappear or be exported overseas overnight.
    Just look at those not so wonderful employment prospects that all thoses Computer Games graduates aren't enjoying.
    It still remains the case that the only kids I have taught who have secured emplyment in the Games industry were first and foremost, great artists.
    For the non-opportunites described above we will produce a generation of kids unable to use a spreadsheet or design a decent looking document.
    That will be just great for business.
    'raspberry pi' - hysterical.
    Computer Games part of the National Curriculum? Yeah, alongside other useful subjects like sanskrit and trouser tennis.
  5. You seem to hate computing, programming, teaching and games! If you think the games industry is made up of low level programming jobs at the scale you mentioned you must be mistaken - and remember games degrees are indeed pretty useless however go in to a games job with a CS or (dare I say it) maths or physics and there are stacks of jobs out there. I really need to stop getting sucked into this trolling.
  6. The British Darts Association has deplored the lack of new talent coming through from schools and has asked for a re-write of the National Curriculum for P.E..................etc
  7. Nope, not at all but I do really hate ********.
    Enlighten me, please.
    Yeah and your evidence is....
    Now that I can believe - for dullard programming drones.
    From personal experience, I can vouch for a few of those who go into interviews with breathtaking art portfolios - they are wanted and get interesting well paid jobs.
    Don't do it then!
  8. Exactly - and how about the Sex Industry, too!
  9. Captain Obvious

    Captain Obvious New commenter

    I just hope they strike a good balance. Programming skills are
    useful, but we can't throw the baby (Office) out with the bathwater
    We still need effective users of ICT, even more so if
    they're going to be writing the manuals and support documentation for
    the programs that are supposed to be the future.
  10. There are a plenty of programming and software/technical jobs outside of the game industry (which in itself is only a tiny market for specialised programmers). What's the debate here? Missing the big picture.
    This whole programming argument isn't grounded in common sense. Surely any thinking teacher can see that there may be a case for some control/sequencing instructions in the curriculum. But "programming" in a high level language such as Java, C#, Python or Javascript - this is only suitable for certain types of student. It is option choice territory in KS4. Sorry. Open and shut case.
    Why the hell will my year 8s want to start learning Python? Come on folks... get a grip on reality. Parts of this discussion on this and previous related threads is descending into farce.
  11. My evidence is from speaking to graduate recruiters from EA, Rockstar, Codemasters and my good friend who is a games developer (mainly graphics stuff) of 12 years who also, oddly, has a CS degree...

    The head of EA graduate recruitment told our students once that they are looking for AAB or above, a CS degree or physics or maths.

    Want to make nice models of things for games, fill you boots, do some arty degree but for them they will happily admit that a CS degree is perfect but they also love physics and maths grads owing to the compleity of modern games.
  12. SageDerby

    SageDerby New commenter

    I was told the same at some recruitment fair about 3 years ago. Same people also said that they didn't want graduates with Games Programming degrees.
    The Games industry is only one of a number of industries that are worried about the lack of programmers in this country. I was talking to someone from IBM last week who expressing the same concerns and, at the same meeting, a CS lecturer from a Russell group uni said that less than 50% of their first year students are "home-grown".


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