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A list of Brexit lies exposed . .

Discussion in 'Personal' started by JL48, Nov 1, 2018.

  1. florian gassmann

    florian gassmann Star commenter

    Depends what you mean by 'serious downside'. In the worst case scenario of no deal, would an average tariff of 5.2% have a greater effect than the 30% decline in the value of sterling 10 years ago, or the 12% decline in sterling since 2016? And, before you answer, remember that nobody is expecting a worst case scenario.

    In fact, variations of 5.2% are typically faced by exporters all the time, due to currency fluctuations. It is why larger firms hedge against them.

    Not something to be welcomed, but neither something to be described in hyper-inflated talk of cliff edges and catastrophes. It is the language of the snowflake generation who like to portray themselves as "heartbroken" if they miss a bus, or "devastated" if they catch a cold.
     
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  2. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter

    It is the language of the mainstream media not a generational thing. Nor is it a "snowflake" thing. Any more than your response is a "gammon" thing.
     
  3. florian gassmann

    florian gassmann Star commenter

    You could indeed define it as the language of those who want to cancel Brexit. Doesn't make it any the less stupid or the more accurate, though.
     
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  4. peter12171

    peter12171 Star commenter

    There were exaggerations, misrepresentations and unjustified panic stories on both sides in the referendum.
     
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  5. JL48

    JL48 Star commenter

    Well, quite. Several examples of this on the thread already. As for:
    we can already see the usual excuses being trotted out:
    "The £ was always overvalued"
    "_____________ was going to move anyway"
    " ____________ was having problems anyway - nothing to do with Brexit"
    "The EU are trying to punish us"
    "Fake news, it will never happen" (even though it's happening already)
    "They said we were going to have a recession, and we didn't" (technically of course, they are right so far, but that it has hit our economic growth, causing job losses, increased poverty etc isn't up for debate by anyone serious.)
    The 'we only voted for a free trade zone' is another favourite lie.
     
  6. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter

    It is not what you claimed it to be.

    That was my only point.
     
  7. Brunel

    Brunel Lead commenter

    Of course there were - I wouldn’t deny that for a moment. What’s different is the potential consequences of such exaggerations.
     
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  8. florian gassmann

    florian gassmann Star commenter

    Look to see if the numbers justify the language. That is my only point.
     
  9. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter

    That's another matter entirely. You are materially wrong about the use of the term. Just accept it.

    It was used across the mainstream media. Nothing "snowflake" about it.
     
  10. florian gassmann

    florian gassmann Star commenter

    Try not to swallow everything you are fed by mainstream media.
     
  11. monicabilongame

    monicabilongame Star commenter

    It's a pity this wasn't said to the Leave voters before the referendum...
     
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  12. florian gassmann

    florian gassmann Star commenter

    Leave voters are as capable as anyone else of spotting b*llocks, especially if it emanates from those who like to think they are superior.
     
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  13. JL48

    JL48 Star commenter

    You been listening to Infowars?
     
  14. florian gassmann

    florian gassmann Star commenter

    No, I just use my brain to realise that in the most unlikely and worse possible scenario, an average tariff of 5.2% (against which could be set tariffs charged on EU imports) isn't gonna make much difference to most of us. It may not be desirable - and it's very unlikely to happen - but falling off a cliff or being an economic catastrophe it ain't.
     
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  15. JL48

    JL48 Star commenter

    So that's a 'yes' then. :p

    On a more festive note:

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  16. florian gassmann

    florian gassmann Star commenter

    More imaginary nonsense instead of fact, yet again!
     
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  17. JL48

    JL48 Star commenter

  18. eljefeb90

    eljefeb90 Senior commenter

    Yes, exactly. Land Rover are a massive UK success story and last year made 1.5 billion in profits!! They have issues with Chinese orders falling and diesel demand dropping, but they are far from being a lame duck, more like a golden goose. It's the spectre of Brexit that they have constantly complained about, which they view as the real threat and they are less reliant on the European market than other manufacturers such as Toyota and Nissan.
     
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  19. peter12171

    peter12171 Star commenter

    But it wasn't only Tories who voted to leave - splits over Europe crossed party lines.

    I also suspect that if those leaders could be asked now whether the EU as it is now is what they were speaking in favour of, most of them would say 'No'.
     
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  20. JL48

    JL48 Star commenter

    True. But a large majority of Labour voters voted Remain, whereas a large majority of Tory voters voted Leave. The real issue is that most Remain voting Tories would still vote Tory, whereas many Leave voting Labour voters seem to be happier to change party affiliations.
    Possibly, but as they aren't around we're unlikely to know. My guess is that most of them would - like Cameron - be a qualified Remain vote.
     

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