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a huge amount of catch up for pupils over the summer

Discussion in 'Education news' started by ridleyrumpus, Jun 10, 2020.

  1. weesteve

    weesteve New commenter

    Ha ha! I expect Ofsted can’t wait to get back to “business as usual”. I also expect Ofsted inspectors will have VERY short memories when it comes to understanding why 2021’s SATs are nowhere near as good as 2019’s (for most schools), and then criticise schools for the growing gap between Pupil Premium children and the rest...

    The days of key workers, including teachers, being lauded as heroes will not last long, and certainly not as far as considering how the cost of Corona will be paid for out of further cuts to public services and a return to frozen salaries, with a reminder that we’re all in this together.

    Excuse my cynicism...

    And don’t even get me started on the “Brexit dividend” that we can all eagerly look forward to!
     
  2. install

    install Star commenter

    Agree.

    Teachers - heroes ? No thankyou, we’ve been there, done that .
     
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  3. lizziescat

    lizziescat Star commenter

    Retired teachers? Volunteers?

    So how come they’ll be able to rush through all those DBS checks then?


    Of course they’ve thought of that .....

    .......and the training of retired teachers and volunteers in the National Curriculum ......
    .......and assessment criteria.....
    .......and......

    After all it’s not just child minding they wa......

    ........oh.:eek:;)
     
    Last edited: Jun 10, 2020
  4. Marisha

    Marisha Occasional commenter

    I can't.

    I'm 60. I did a little bit of supply until a week before lockdown, but I can't consider it now: my husband is an octogenarian with underlying health conditions - if anything happened to him, I could never forgive myself. A school actually asked me to go in the last week, and I declined. I explained that I couldn't take the risk.
     
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  5. ridleyrumpus

    ridleyrumpus Star commenter

    57 and on the shielding list and am starting a new job in September.

    I have my worries...
     
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  6. DrResource

    DrResource New commenter

    If they want to pay me overtime, I'll go in.
     
  7. Stiltskin

    Stiltskin Star commenter

    The pupils are going to have a huge amount to catch up next year... I am guessing that a lot of year 6 teachers are thinking nothing different there then ;)
     
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  8. MrMedia

    MrMedia Star commenter

    What an evening. As I was listening to Johnson so an ethereal ghost of Gavin Williamson slow turning in horror to look at the television joined me on the sofa. I felt for him. Starmer is really getting under his skin. I watched the BBC news the day before and the journalist was scathing - "no plan, no nightingale schools, no retired teachers instead of nurses returning to the profession, no passing trainees and allowing them to teach like with the nurses."
    Lo and behold, up steps Johnson, clearly with these words ringing in his ears and makes up policy on the hoof. And today every teacher in the world is tearing these plans to pieces. It's like the BoG had made a complete idiot HT and now you are just waiting for the inevitable inspection fail, but that you've got to wait 4 years before it will happen.
     
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  9. ridleyrumpus

    ridleyrumpus Star commenter

    Technically you are not paid at all over summer so you cannot be paid "overtime" unless you are paid normal rate plus the overtime
     
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  10. Pomza

    Pomza Star commenter

    All Ofsted inspectors are already employed as senior leaders in schools, so most will already be working.

    HMIs are employed directly by Oftsed - I have no idea what they're doing at the moment...
     
  11. moscowbore

    moscowbore Star commenter

    I bet the head of every teacher listening to bojo last night snapped to attention at the mention of catch up. Typical bojo. No details of what he meant. I suspect strongly that he made it up 1 minute before getting to the lectern.
    The politicians du jour are getting more testy with the questioners. bojo just cut the sky lady off and made no attempt whatsoever to answer her question. bojo does the same in PMQs although Starmer definitely seems to be winding bojo up.
     
  12. greeneyes

    greeneyes Occasional commenter

    Why can’t they just cough up and pay us supply teachers? I’ve seen a lot of teachers saying they won’t do it. Ok, fine. There’s a lot of teachers who haven’t been furloughed or for whom furlough will end in July. We have up to date DBS checks and often recent child protection training.
    Give us the chance to earn some wages through a financially unstable time.
     
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  13. DrResource

    DrResource New commenter

    Definitely. Make up for the loss in Exam marking money.
     
  14. 50sman

    50sman Lead commenter

    Retired teachers by the nature of the term are in the elderly age bracket. I was one of the few who actually managed to work for 38 years through various ducking and diving techniques once I reached 50.

    I have no desire to work for nothing - I put in god knows how much extra time at weekendS and holidays in the 38 years I worked!

    Even if the government managed to recruit the several hundred thousand teachers it needs ( it will need to double the workforce) - getting them all through DBS will take forever!

    The good news for the normal classroom teacher is that when they return to school some SLT might realise that if they carry on bullying them out of a job there really are no replacements!
     
  15. Rott Weiler

    Rott Weiler Star commenter Forum guide

    Technically it wouldn't be overtime but not for that reason.

    Teachers are paid over the summer (your contracted work obligations aren't limited to Directed Time). Teachers on STPCD permanent contracts are on an annual salary that accrues over 365 days a year. This was confirmed by the Supreme Court in the 2017 test case brought by the unions in Hartley v King Edward VI College [2017] UKSC 39.

    But the duties required by your annual salary don't include going into school and being directed by the headteacher in excess of 195 days. So the extra pay for teaching during the summer holidays would be for agreeing to take on extra duties outside your existing contract.
     
  16. grahamfrost

    grahamfrost New commenter

    I think that when we see Parliament working through their holidays, that might be the time to think about other public sector employees working through theirs.
     
  17. ACOYEAR8

    ACOYEAR8 Star commenter

    If i thought there would be students and I thought parents cared enough to make them attend, i'd do a summer school. Except that there won't be, they don't and I won't.
     
  18. Happyregardless

    Happyregardless Occasional commenter

    Actually, I have seen an massive influx of parents recently, requesting tutors/teachers work online throughout the Summer as more and more parents seem to be giving the reason that they are not letting their children return to school until at least September. I will be paid for it as through private sector - I urge other supply teachers, especially those not furloughed, to consider looking after themselves in this way - noone else will, you have experience and skills to offer, you are valued and it also keeps your skills up to date.
     
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  19. mistermanager

    mistermanager New commenter

    But what exactly would you be 'doing'? You don't know the students, I wouldn't want random retired and supply teachers in my 'specialist subject' classroom using my resources. Such individuals could do more harm than good in terms of 'poor teaching'... It is a minefield, and certainly wouldn't work in my subject. It is not a feasible plan on any level.
     
  20. mistermanager

    mistermanager New commenter

    Starmer changes his 'views' with the wind. He is absolutely ineffective and weak. He looks scared to be there to me! If you want an example; Last week he was demading that it was 'unsafe' for schools to open. This week he is demanding that schools should be open to all before Summer... Hmmm I am just glad we don't have Labour in... Be careful what you wish for
     
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