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A document worth a read.

Discussion in 'Personal' started by modelmaker, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:11 PM.

  1. modelmaker

    modelmaker Established commenter

    This is a document written up in 2016 following the referendum and lists significant statements made by politicians, both in government at the time and part of the Leave campaign.

    Essentially it was intended to be a record of what was promised during the Leave campaign, to be used as a sort of time capsule to be opened after we left the EU, probably so a record of the key claims the authors thought had tipped the balance that were made could be found in one place and we could reflect back on the veracity of those claims after we actually left. Well we are no longer part of the EU and still have no idea whether our government is able to, or wants to negotiate a trade deal with the EU.

    Have a read through what was said back then and ask yourselves how many of those promises that were going to be happening on the day after we left the EU have materialised. Bear in mind it was perhaps a little ambitious to imagine that the rest of the world would be knocking on Britain's door pleading with us to sign trade deals on 1/1/20, but today marks six months after our membership of the EU ceased, so it's not unreasonable to expect that we'd have heard promising news of trade deals in the making by now.

    In six month's time, the transition period ends so time is running out. It would be reasonable to some extent to say that Covid-19 may have disrupted trade negotiations, but in our modern interconnected world, where business, news outlets and government has been able to function remotely, it isn't possible to blame Covid-19 entirely for the fact that not a single one of the trade deals we were promised has been forthcoming, or news of its imminency has been touted.

    The EU would almost certainly agree to an extension of the transition period on the basis of Covid-19 being a disruption to an agreement, but our government has ruled out an extension.

    I've put the intro to the document below. You'll need to click on the link to read what you were told and decide for yourselves what on earth Brexit was all about.


    The Government’s Brexit Contract with the British people

    "The phoney war is over. The Government will trigger Article 50 and officially commence the process of the UK leaving the EU. This fulfils the mandate of June 23rd 2016 and a new national debate must now take place over what is in the UK’s national interest.There is no mandate for the form Brexit takes: responsibility for the outcome now rests with those conducting negotiations and those advocating a hard Brexit.As this process takes place we must ensure people are equipped to make judgements on whether negotiations meet the expectations they had when they voted last year, whether promises made then and since are being fulfilled, and whether our country and economy are likely to be stronger as a consequence of decisions now being taken.A clear direction of travel has been set by the Government – and it is largely based on that set by the Vote Leave campaign.Vote Leave and the Government have made specific promises: leaving is a cost-free option; trade will be enhanced not hampered; there will be major savings from the EU budget; core arrangements with the EU, for example over national security, will remain unchanged; and the integrity of the United Kingdom will be protected.Now that Article 50 is being triggered, people will expect these promises to be delivered: this is the Government’s Brexit Contract with the British people.In our view, political choices have been made that potentially undermine these ambitions and which make the path ahead riskier than necessary. Decisions to leave the Single Market and Customs Union in pursuit of a target to reduce net migration to the tens of thousands, to volunteer a red line over the European Court of Justice, and to commit to a full, rapid departure by March 2019 call in to question whether the Government’s Brexit Contract, as it stands, can be honoured.Indeed, if the Contract cannot be honoured we fear it increases the chances of the UK leaving the EU with no deal at all. This would be the worst of all worlds, meaning tariffs on goods trade so higher prices for consumers and businesses, service trade restricted so jobs at risk, and the UK opting for a worse trading position than any other major economy.As patriots, we want the best for our country. As realists, we fear the Government’s Brexit Contract may not deliver that outcome. And as democrats, we think that should be a judgement people and Parliament are able to make.Here we set out the Government’s Brexit Contract with the British people so they can be held to account throughout the Article 50 process."
  2. lexus300

    lexus300 Star commenter

    If I cannot sleep tonight, I will read it.
  3. modelmaker

    modelmaker Established commenter

    Even if you sleep well, you can read it when you wake up. The thing to bear in mind when you do, is that we have had a government comprised of the people who made the case for Brexit for a year now. That's a long time so far as politics goes. Certainly long enough to announce which nations outside the EU have been queuing up to talk about trade deals.

    “After we Vote Leave, we would immediately be able to start negotiating new trade deals with emerging economies and the world’s biggest economies (the US, China and Japan, as well as Canada, Australia, South Korea, New Zealand, and so on), which could enter into force immediately after the UK leaves the EU.”Vote Leave press release, 15 June 2016"
  4. florian gassmann

    florian gassmann Star commenter

    As has been pointed out many times, nothing could be promised during the referendum because neither Vote Leave nor Britain Stronger in Europe were political parties campaigning for election. Anyone who thought the opinions expressed by either side were any sort of promise really didn't understand what the referendum was about.
  5. alex_teccy

    alex_teccy Lead commenter

    Do we also get to see the vote Remain “contract”showing all terrible things that should have happened but haven’t, if we voted to leave?

    Or the one which shows increased membership fees? Or more control over our laws from Brussels? Or higher food prices?
  6. lexus300

    lexus300 Star commenter

    We have left, the rest will happen in the fullness of time.
    Oscillatingass and alex_teccy like this.
  7. modelmaker

    modelmaker Established commenter

    Whatever was said by Remain is no longer relevant.
    If you can find a list of Remain statements, by all means post it. Because we are still in the transition period, we've yet to discover what the cost of food will be next year, or where it will be sourced from. In six month's time though, all those assurances about trade deals had better materialise or there's going to be riots.
  8. LondonCanary

    LondonCanary Star commenter

    Has your wife read it?
  9. alex_teccy

    alex_teccy Lead commenter

    In which case circumstances are no longer relevant for either side. There’s no point binding vote Leave to outcomes circumstances they did not predicate their campaign on, any more than you can do so for Remain.

    People are rioting right now because they’ve been shut in the house for several months.

    If they riot in six months time it’ll be because if the lockdown-recession, not Brexit.
    peter12171 likes this.
  10. oldsomeman

    oldsomeman Star commenter

    Considering the threat offered by the EU in negotiating it still seems a good thing we are going.
    It the EU have realised we are going they might wish to consider taking UK demands and then finding their starting point, and place of no retreat to begin with.
    For us watching we are not informed of what form that negotiation has taken, what has been reached and what is in dispute except what newspapers scream of 'wanting the right to fish with no restriction, demanding borders, sending the French trawlers with crews ready to fight, Demands for the return of Gibraltar and fining us if we dare trade with them except on their terms.
    I would care to see what progress as been made and whats abeen offered if youwant a clear picture.
    alex_teccy likes this.
  11. racroesus

    racroesus Star commenter

    Or chambermaid?

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