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A call to action against poor behaviour in schools and the prevalence of useless "policies" preventing teachers doing their job

Discussion in 'Behaviour' started by angry jedi, Nov 7, 2006.

  1. Hey Katie, sorry to hear you're having a rubbish time of it too and although it's sickening to know there are other schools with this behaviour and no support out there, it's also a comfort that I'm not alone, therefore can't all be my fault.

    Other members of staff at my school are supportive, but ultimately the head needs to do something and be proactive.

    I feel exactly the same as you, just come home and burst into tears and that's why I've written to her as I don;t think I could hold it together long enough to tell her what she needs to do to help me.

    Maybe you could do the same, your head might not realise how you're feeling. Also try to log incidents so that you have a record to show this kind of behaviour is going on.

    Keep hanging on in there and I'll try to too. It's worth it for those kids who do appreciate you. xx
     
  2. Student threatens teacher with physical violence
    Student trashes classroom
    Student pushes teacher
    Student enters classroom and punches another student in the face
    Student attacks another student with the point of an umbrella

    A tale of five different students (still walking around school, going to lessons, socialising with friends) reported by five different members of staff...no action taken

     
  3. eha

    eha

    Post 101; Melkdown:
    'Student threatens teacher with physical violence
    Student trashes classroom
    Student pushes teacher
    Student enters classroom and punches another student in the face
    Student attacks another student with the point of an umbrella'

    All these in the same school? Surely a case for 'Special Measures', or whatever they call it now.
    And it's the Management who ought to be observed; presumably teachers are doing their duty by reporting these outrages. What's Management doing?
     
  4. feather

    feather New commenter

    Hi

    Check out my reply to the posting/s above. Completely ties in without me having read this posting first. I like the direct action methods being used, about time too.

    In addition

    I also have left high school teaching I am currently working with SEN children in a college where absolutely no nonsense is taken. There are learners with every sort of medical problem known but bad behaviour is not accepted and they have to work hard.

    Appropriate Curriculum and Challeging the Learner.

    There is a partially sighted learner with Dyspraxia who is made to work independently as possible. These learners are pushed up to limits and improvement in confidence and ability after coming in fom secondary school is remarkable. This learner came with all reasons and excuses why he couldn't do this and that. He is being weaned off individual support as I speak. He talks to other students, he discusses ideas with them, he does his own writing and he is being asked to reduce the size of his writing and leave spaces between words making his written work clearer to read. These learners are being taught the skills which used to be taught in schools. When they come to this college they are being taught very well indeed. That means they will leave college prepared for the outside world.

    What Culture

    There is now a culture in schools where the word of the learner is simply accepted. I emphasise the word simply. The people who do the accepting are the simple thinkers. How can a lesson be taught starting from the level of knowledge a child brings in and is never allowed to move upwards because its beyond the experience of that child.

    What are the simple thinkers saying. How patronising of them. How patronising to say that the only teachers suitable for a particular school are those people from that schools catchment area. This perpetuates a particular local culture, it is the small village idea which self perpetuates and becomes a narower and narrower funnel of type, exentuating problems never challenging acquired thought.

    Teachers have brains and will use them either in the classroom teaching or campaigning for the right for qualified teachers to teach in the classroom.

    I am not going away. When I was assaulted in the classroom and nothing was done to the drug dealer I involved a solicitor, the laws of the land apply to everyone, I have never looked back.
     
  5. you're right feather...and in answer to eha - YES, all at the same school which has undergone a fiction of an ofsted inspection! with big thumbs up to outstanding managers...it's all very surreal...perplexed to say the least...
     
  6. As a Year 1 teacher I am saddened and distressed by what I read here. I teach 5 and 6 year olds. ALREADY, at that age, I have several in my class (boys and girls) who are defiant, disruptive, show little respect for adults or peers, or their property, and talk back when challenged, saying it's "boring". 5 year olds!!

    These are the young adults of the future. I despair - and I look to the parents, many of whom simply do not have the time or energy to 'be' with their children, for some of the problems these youngsters are emerging with.

    I must praise, encourage, not be negative. And I am convinced that this onus on the teacher means that the children do not learn self-control at an early enough age for them to be independent learners and full members of society later.

    Sad.
     
  7. chaucer73

    chaucer73 New commenter

    write to your mp and lea
     
  8. I am seriously starting to wonder whether or not my PGCE was a wise decision. There were so many times when I just wanted to quit and scream obscenities at the lecturers laden with all their superfluous and idiotic policies dished out by the government - why can't teachers just teach??? It's bad enough that we have to suffer the behaviour of badly brought up spawn of Satan, but then we are told that we are responsible for the bad behaviour in the first place. I'm so fed up that I'm considering leaving a new career, one in which I always wanted to work. Either that or I'm off abroad to teach kids who really value education...
     
  9. feather

    feather New commenter

    Siafu

    If you went to a poor country they would respect you as a teacher. The disrespect teachers suffer here is not down to poverty it is down to corruption of young minds. Stop the list of excuses for bad behaviour and that will start to address the problem. I cannot emphasise more when I go to my college not even the partially sighted are allowed to get away with anything remotely like poor behaviour.

    I got a positive reply from my MEP - write a letter short and sweet to your list of MEP,s MPs, and councillors. See the start of these posting and the posting about the petition. Challenge the thinking that allows children to become abusive.
     
  10. Hi everyone - it's been a while since I checked in here but I thought I'd look in on this thread.

    I wrote to my local MP, John Denham (Labour MP for Southampton) some time ago and never received the courtesy of a reply. I am seriously considering writing again, especially given the appalling (and criminal) behaviour of the children in our local area which has taken a sharp upturn recently since they have been "moved on" from somewhere else.

    Children (and criminals) need to be punished for their appalling behaviour, not given all the touchy-feely **** that current society seems to favour.
     
  11. "If you went to a poor country they would respect you as a teacher. The disrespect teachers suffer here is not down to poverty it is down to corruption of young minds."

    You are making all poverty in all countries equivalent. Is it really true that just because in some poor countries they respect teaching, when poor people in our country don't respect teaching it must be down to something else?

    You also offer a false dichotomy, 'corruption of minds' is not the only choice. Finally, it is very hard to prove that such 'corruption' happens.

    Are you really saying that society is so base that children, from a young age, are corrupted in their homes before they even come to school? And then you expect something to be done about it? In a society that bad, nothing could be done, because we would all have been complicit.

    Overall, your sensationalist argument flawed and, thankfully, to be rejected. If it were true we could only conclude that the situation was irretrievable.
     
  12. MPs already know about indiscipline in schools, so do the general public. May I suggest that you see a therapist to help you overcome some very nasty experiences.
     
  13. WolfPaul

    WolfPaul New commenter

    Alsvid wrote: "Is it really true that just because in some poor countries they respect teaching, when poor people in our country don't respect teaching it must be down to something else?"

    This could very easily be true actually. Maybe people in poor countries value education because they see it as possibly their only chance to escape a life of abject poverty, whereas the (relatively) poor people in this country know that the welfare state will provide them in comfort no matter what they choose to do with their educational opportunities.
     
  14. WolfPaul

    WolfPaul New commenter

    PS meant to say SOME poor people in this country. There are many that still value education.
     
  15. casper

    casper New commenter

    If you write to your MP and do not get a reply, let the press know. They will soon come running when they want your vote.
     
  16. feather

    feather New commenter

    Hello All

    I a certain LEA which rhymes with smoke the kids at one school went on strike fed up they say with supply teachers running the school. This is a discredited Lea who is to have its responsibilities turned over to a private company. Basically within the childrens services directorate there has been no social services intervention where kids have been in need. They simply are fully included into school where obviously things just mushroom out of control and to the point where teachers refuse to teach in those schools.

    Why arn't these Directors being brought before a court for negligence.
     
  17. feather

    feather New commenter

    Alsvid

    Children in poor countries welcome education . They don't turn up in school with guns and knives. What do you think that is Alsvid normal socilisation. Yet these kids are not poor not at all they are probably quite wealthy. They choose to use this wealth in a way which is corrupt. Sometimes this wealth is obtained from corrupt practices called drug dealing.

    Don't bother trying to explain or justify such actions. As someone who has met genuinely poor children abroad it doesn't wash. I will tackle such nonsense head on. Phrases taken straight of certain books I could mention are written by those who have not met poor children, they could not possibly have done. Foreign national writers from poor countries do not justify corruption.

    No, justification of corruption comes from writers in this country and come from the minds who have probably informed the inclusion regardless camp.
     
  18. Poor people in the UK disrespect education not because they are poor but because of the social alienation they feel. On discipline, my advice, for what it is worth, is do less, listen more.
     
  19. It's the "listening" that has got us into the current mess. Children are "listened" to so much that they have all the rights in the world and yet don't feel an ounce of responsibility - because there are no consequences to their actions - no lasting ones, at least.

    A firm stance needs to be taken on discipline, and it needs to involve ways of punishing poor behaviour. People should stop being afraid of punishing poor behaviour for namby-pamby "self-esteem" reasons - what about the self-esteem of the poor teacher who has to deal with daily verbal abuse? Or the self-esteem of the victims of the poor behaviour?

    No. Punish the thugs, the violent, the abusive. The situation with children is so bad now that people are afraid to walk the streets when gangs of children are there - the neighbourhood I live in is such an example. Nearby shops have had their windows smashed in by a gang of youths, property is vandalised and people threatened. All the "listening" in the world won't solve this - punishing the criminal behaviour would be much more effective.
     
  20. Hello All

    " Basically within the childrens services directorate there has been no social services intervention where kids have been in need. They simply are fully included into school where obviously things just mushroom out of control and to the point where teachers refuse to teach in those schools.

    Why arn't these Directors being brought before a court for negligence."

    I have made this point on the boards several times but it is worth re-iterating:

    Social services are so desperately underfunded they simply CANNOT AFFORD to take all but the most extreme cases of abuse into care. The laws governing the work of social services are so restrictive and keep familes together at all costs, even if social services had the money they couldn't operate properly in the current environment.

    Let me put it this way, your supposed to visit every child on your register roughly once a fortnight, but you have over 200 children on the registered caseload for each individual social worker, over a 14 day period...... no wonder social services isn't working even when it is competent.

    As a former PGCE student we were constantly told that speaking out about what really goes on in schools is unprofessional.. now I have a relative who was a qualified teacher in the 1970s and 1980s and back then it was considered your professional duty to speak out on such matters.

    Teachers don't speak out for fear of the GTC/their SMT etc etc, this is bullying, bullying with a distinctly political motive. IF the public realised what was really going in all schools, not just 'deprived inner city schools' but nice middle class schools too.. all hell would break loose.

    one myth that needs to be dispelled, that is widely held by the non-teaching public is that inclusion means 'cute kids in wheelchairs' not Violent little sh$ts' .. its a chairs thing. Inclusion means chairs are being thrown, no wheeled around in classrooms.

    Go up ask your non-teaching friends and neighbours what they think inclusion means, you will be aghast at their answers
     

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