Thankyou! I started my PGCE in September, today I am going in to tell them I am quitting for exactly the reasons you have outlined. Behaviour is by and large appalling! As ITT students we have sat in classes at Uni being told that as teachers "we will be in charge of our own classes and their behaviour", what utter nonsense. The problem is that teachers are NOT in charge, SMT and the various school, LEA and national government policy makers are. They are the ones that dictate how classes are disciplined. what EXACT procedures teachers HAVE to follow, as if teachers are idiots incapable of deciding what is appropriate at any given time. At Uni and from other teachers we have been told amd quite frankly as mother of two teenage children I didn't need to be told this; that children respond best to immediate punishments. Unfortunately because of the nature of most schools sanctions policies this does not happen. There are several issues that need to be considered: Giving detentions, well even if they do turn up for the initial 10 minute immediate after school detention, teachers are; a)expected to talk to them about their behaviour INDIVIDUALLY, except by the end of the day their are too many pupils to see in 10 minutes ( even if that worked) b)Why should some frazzled teacher give up more time to stay after school when they could be marking/planning, to do detentions! Guess what after 7 weeks I have seen teachers just give up and not bother, don't blame them, ergo kids don't get disciplined. The ultimate sanction in most schools is "I WILL CONTACT YOUR PARENTS" big friggin deal most of the worse behaved kids have parents that quite frankly don't give a Sh^t! so the kids dont care. Have discussed this issue with my own kids, now in their later teens, guess what, they would NEVER have pushed their behaviour that far because they KNEW their parents would have quote " come down on them like a tonne of bricks" .. Do the powers that be realise what a crock "threatening to ring home" is ? The use of non-teaching pastoral staff. what the hell ! sorry I have seen some good ones, but quite frankly a lot of them spend most of their time undermining the teacher, in front of the Class. Kids getting sent out by teachers to have non-teaching pastoral staff send them straight back in, thus sending the message to the other 29 pupils that its OK to ignore teachers... great... then the powers that be wonder why kids that start in year 7 as well behaved eager to learn pupils turn into little sh"ts by year 9... why I CAN TELL YOU WHY< BECAUSE THOSE KIDS REALISE THAT LEARNING IN SUCH AN ENVIRONMENT IS POINTLESS!! Inclusion: OMG, on paper it is a great idea, but in practise its just a way for governemtn and LEAs to save money and for schools to gain income, which is invariably NOT spent on the children. what inclusion means is this we will include everyone apart from the kids that actually want to learn , because all the 'included' pupils make it impossible for the eager learner to learn. the solution is simple. 1) improve primary schools . period spend the money there. The reseacrh is their that proves EVERY pound spent at 5 years old is worth 15 pounds at 15 years old 2) SMALLER CLASSES!!! you want inclusion, you want better education for kids, well get the government to reduce class sizes to a MAXIMUM of 20 by 2015 and 15 by 2020, and improve school buildings while you are at it. I have actually seen inclusion work, but only in a lowest set class of 12 pupils... because the teacher has time, for each individual students. I have a question for the government; A doctor has 30 patients all with various medical conditions, do you think that an hour is an adequate length of time for one doctor to address the needs of all 30 patients? yep we all know what the answer to that is !