The point of discussions is to see how and where others disagree with you, Raymond. These are my opinions, I'm inviting others to agree or disagree with them, hence my comment: "(If anyone agrees, please say so, if not I'm happy to discuss different views)." I think its important to be open-minded, I have changed my opinion on things before - most adults have when they hear a view they've not considered. As I said: 1. There is a problem in some UK schools with pupil behaviour. 2. This problem is made worse by people appeasing the pupils and looking for excuses to blame the teacher for the appalling pupil behaviour. 3. Damaging or stealing school/ teacher property, insulting/ abusive/ threatening behaviour and assaults can all be described as criminal? (I have legally arrested people for all these, so know it is. In fact, saying or doing anything that the victim finds alarming or distressing is harassment, arrestable on the second occasion if warned first time). All this is the case anywhere (including at work). 4. The above criminal behaviour is dismissed as 'misbehaviour' in some schools and swept under the carpet, ie not dealt with seriously. (Detention, possibly exclusion). 5. Crimes that occur in schools (see above) are rarely reported to the police - some SMT in some schools talk teachers out of reporting such crimes? 6. Pupils constantly getting away with serious misbehaviour (crimes), without any meaningful sanction makes the situation worse for teachers, ie awful working conditions? I am sure there are people on TES who disagree - I can see the validity in the view that some teachers make behaviour problems in their classes worse with their conduct and poor lesson planning. However I think this is over-used. Any views on 1-6 - anyone who disagrees prepared to say why?