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£85,000 for disruptive passenger

Discussion in 'Personal' started by Oscillatingass, Jul 18, 2019.

  1. Oscillatingass

    Oscillatingass Star commenter

    https://www.standard.co.uk/

    Unsure if the link to The Evening Standard will work if not perhaps more skilled others will post a working link later in the thread. Anyway, I was wondering what the point is of trying to pursue this woman for this kind of money. She is unlikely to have the money and for all we know she has dependents etc so there is no hope of her paying.. Given the fact her behaviour was so serious she endangered the aircraft and fighter planes were scrambled it seems to me a year or so in jail would be a highly effective punishment whereas sending her a bill that we all know she wont pay is laughable. A second point is that she now has a lifetime ban from flying with Jet 2 but isn't there a case for banning her from all commercial flights if not for life then for a reasonable period of time. I wonder do airlines communicate about this kind of thing? Could she simply book a flight with for example Easy Jet and cause mayhem once again?
     
  2. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter

    I agree re: banning her from all flights for a long time would be better. Maybe 10 years or so.
     
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  3. Oscillatingass

    Oscillatingass Star commenter

    Do you think a period of imprisonment would be appropriate?
     
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  4. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter


    Given the cost to the public purse, I'm not sure.
     
  5. Rott Weiler

    Rott Weiler Star commenter Forum guide

    The link doesn't go the article, but this one does

    https://metro.co.uk/2019/07/18/jet2...0-air-rage-forced-emergency-landing-10407906/

    Having fighter aircraft scrambled to escort you in is about as far from reassuring as it's possible to be. I can assume most people don't know why they are sent up to escort planes in this situation. They are there in case someone gains control of the plane and starts to steer it towards towns etc to do a 9/11. If that happens the fighters will shoot you down and everyone, passengers and crew as well as hijackers, will die.
     
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  6. Oscillatingass

    Oscillatingass Star commenter

    Many thanks Rott Weiler.
     
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  7. sbkrobson

    sbkrobson Star commenter

    This?
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-49017838

    The bill was not the same as legal action, it was merely a bill.
    However, they do say they will "rigorously pursue" to make it good.
    She's been bailed at the moment.
    Who knows about any likely court outcome...?

    Edit-sorry, only just saw somebody else already posted a link
     
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  8. Oscillatingass

    Oscillatingass Star commenter

    A fair point but I was wondering if it might be a deterrent to others, since this kind of thing seems to be happening increasingly although thankfully not quite as extreme as in this example.
     
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  9. Oscillatingass

    Oscillatingass Star commenter

  10. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter


    Oh I see the point. Personally I would insist that all fines ARE paid, even if that means a % is taken from benefits etc for the rest of their life (and if that means children have to be taken into care/adopted out from the criminal, tough).

    But banning them from ALL flights out of the UK (and, hopefully by arrangement, from ALL flights elsewhere as well) would be a punishment that fits the crime!
     
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  11. sbkrobson

    sbkrobson Star commenter

    But it's not a fine, it's a bill.
    The court process has not yet happened.
    Presumably the issuing of the bill is in anticipation of the legal process...
     
  12. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter


    That's true. So it will be a civil court case needed to get it paid (which it won't be). But my point was the more general one about the widespread non payment of actual fines.
     
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  13. Oscillatingass

    Oscillatingass Star commenter

    Absolutely right. I presume this woman's behaviour was so awful, the crew felt there was a risk she could conceivably gain control of the aircraft.
     
  14. florian gassmann

    florian gassmann Star commenter

    She's banned for life from flying on Jet2. I don't think there is a mechanism for banning her from all airlines, but there ought to be.

    She was, of course, drunk and was banned from driving for 28 months last month after drink-driving and ordered to pay £170 court costs. She was also given a series of community orders for three assaults and fined £450 at Slough Magistrates' Court.

    It is yet another argument for banning sales of alcohol at airports, and I would be perfectly happy to see passengers have to take a breath test before boarding.
     
  15. racroesus

    racroesus Star commenter

    Nah. They'll shoot to hit the tip of the wing.
     
  16. racroesus

    racroesus Star commenter

    As long as I'm not restricted to a level needed to pass a roadside breath test.
     
  17. Oscillatingass

    Oscillatingass Star commenter

    Maybe the £85,000 headline is just a sign of the frustration the airline feel about this. The flight is disrupted together with the travel plains of all the other passengers so I presume Jet 2 are liable for compensation. Possibly Jet 2 get billed for the cost of scrambling the fighters. Then there is the additional airport and fuel costs due to the plane being diverted etc. This women is then let out on bail ang gets away with everything. The airline publicize their determination to get their money back from this person as an angry gesture that is actually pointless.
     
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  18. Oscillatingass

    Oscillatingass Star commenter

    This background information suggests she is one of these people who have absolutely no regard for the law or respect for her fellow human beings. Here's hoping the airline press for a custodial sentence.
     
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  19. dumpty

    dumpty Star commenter

    I remember from a time when I was researching benefit payments and the issues claimants have, that it was often the case someone done for fraud but who had no other means of supporting themselves than benefits, would have an arrangement where they were paying a 30,000 fine for example at 75p a week - essentially done to keep it official the claimant was paying but realistically meaning it would never be paid in their lifetime.

    I am not saying she is on benefits but it would not surprise me if a likewise deal is struck - the authorities can still make it appear they are tough and doing as she did will get you into serious trouble, she can live normally and not have to worry about the bill.

    And yes, as the OP has touched upon, it is likely the bill will drop dramatically once the advertisement of 'don't mess with us' is done, so as to end it.
     
  20. Rott Weiler

    Rott Weiler Star commenter Forum guide

    For the airline the publicity that if you do this you get an enormous bill as well as being prosecuted is invaluable and really it's the main point of it in most cases. It's a warning to others. The warning be diluted if they added 'but we won't bill you if you are young with not much money'.

    This particular passenger may not have £85,000 but in other cases the disruptive passenger has been much older, in their 40s and 50s, and probably owns a house with more than £85,000 of equity in it. So the airline could easily go all the way to forcing a sale of the house to get their money.
     
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